Message 37 of 226 (644290)
12-16-2011 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by GDR
12-16-2011 8:15 PM
Re: Afterlife Surprises
He left an anti-God and anti-Christian, aggressively vocal, atheistic legacy up to the end.
Before he died he said he loved surprises. (ABE: Unfortunately and sadly for him,) as per the observable evidence of the existence of the God who he denied, I have to agree that his last surprise will be a rude awakening.
It appears to me that you have this all sorted out for God making Him somewhat redundant.
With Jehovah, nothing and no one is redndant. He is even aware of every sparrow that falls. Scripture says that he is willing that none should perish.
|It seems to me that you, and jar for that matter, should quit worrying about how God is going to deal with others, and just get on with what He wants of us.|
Aren't you making a judgement, by implying that either of us are not?
We are told clearly by Christ that we are not to judge and then by Paul as well. Paul in fact goes further in that his conscience isn’t clear and that he too will be judged saying that only God know what is in a man’s heart.
The same man said a lot pertaing to judgement; some relative to good judgement and some to bad.
|There is no one on this board who knows the heart of Christopher Hitchens. As Christians we are to leave the judging of men’s hearts to God and all we are called to do is to pray for him.|
Jesus said, "But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a man. " Matthew 15:18
|Matthew 7 writes:|
1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged.2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
|John 12 writes:|
44 Then Jesus cried out, "When a man believes in me, he does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me.45When he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me.46I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.47"As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it.
|Romans 2 writes:|
1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.2 Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?
|Romans 14 writes:|
10 You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat.11 It is written: " 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.' "12 So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way.
|1 Cor 4 writes:|
4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.
There are others, pertaining to making judgement, that somehow you missed; some in the very same chapters from which you quoted:
"Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit" (vs. 16,17).
"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment " (John 7:24).
"But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil" (Heb. 5:14).
John the Baptist called the Pharasees and Saducees "a generation of vipers" Matthew 3:7
Jesus agreed when he said: "O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh" (Matt. 12:34).
"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits, whether they be of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world" (I John 4: 1).
Jesus commended the church at Ephesus because they "tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars " (Rev. 2:2).
"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them " (Rom. 16:17).
"Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith " (Titus 1: 13).
"Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers " (Titus 1:9).
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them " (Eph. 5:11).
"Now we command you, brethren, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which ye received of us " (II Thess. 3:6).
"if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man........ (II Thess. 3:14).
"....... reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine " (II Tim. 4:2).
IMHO I think that your response on this thread makes my point that so called Biblical literalists actually aren’t reading the Bible literally at all, but only when they find it consistent with their pre-conceived ideas.
Mmm. In your judgement, your implication is that I'm not reading my Bible, in that I'm a Biblical literalist making a judgement about someone.
I have made it a practice of reading and studying my Bible, taking notes etc for over 60 years, from the time of my conversion at about age 10, including the four years in the Air Force.
Note the 2nd admonishment in my signature before forming a judgement about me.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." :)
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