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anglagard
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Message 33 of 318 (644675)
12-19-2011 11:47 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by purpledawn
12-19-2011 7:44 PM


Taiping Rebellion, ad infinitum
purpledawn writes:
Deaths caused by the Religious
1562-1598 — French Wars of Religion — France — 4 million
1095-1291 — Crusades to the Holy Land — Middle East, Spain, Africa — 1.5 million (This does include all sides of the conflict)
1184-c. 1860 — Various Christian Inquisitions — Europe — 17,500
184-205 — Yellow Scarves Rebellion (Taoists) — China — 7 million
1300s-1521 — Human Sacrifices (Aztecs) — Mexico — 1 million
1855-1877 — Panthay Rebellion (Muslims) — China — 12 million
1971 — Bangladesh Atrocities (Islamists) — East Pakistan — 3 million
September 11, 2007 — Terrorist attacks (Muslim Jihadists) — USA — 5,000
Deaths caused by the Non-Religious
1932-1933 — Holodomor (communist atheists) — Ukraine — 10 million
1941-1945 — Nazi Genocides (statist atheists) — Germany — 11 million
1959-1962 — Great Leap Forward famine (communist atheists) — China — 43 million
1975-1979 — Khmer Rouge Repression (communist atheists) — Cambodia — 3 million
You forgot the Taiping Rebellion, no biggie, everyone seems to forget the Taiping Rebellion for some reason.
Only killed 20 million at least, number 5 in all deaths caused by war, obviously influenced by Hong Xiuquan's interpretation of the work of Christian Missionaries.
And obviously always conveniently forgotten by virtually all regardless of the point they are trying to make.
What was that Santayana quote again?

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
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Message 104 of 318 (645185)
12-24-2011 5:14 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by Taz
12-24-2011 4:16 AM


I Call Bullshit
Taz writes:
I absolutely don't accept this. It seems human nature to try to escape responsibility. I've said this before and I'll say it again. Inaction is another way of approving. Just because you sat back and not participate in killings and other sins by your peers doesn't absorb you of responsibility. I would have felt better if half the German population was put into concentration camps after the war. They elected the nazis. They stood back and allowed the nazis to do all those things.
This is why I'm not going to let this go. You Christians, in your morally superior ways, are allowing the socons to take over. Don't even try to deny responsibility.
I remember back when you were bragging about not voting, that is, not participating in democracy.
In fact I remember that you believed democracy was a scam, that you yourself wanted some 'ubermensch' to take control.
Who are you to criticize others who do vote? Who are you who sits on their ass and does nothing to further the human condition than whine about others?
GDR is not the enemy of the enlightenment simply because he has a thing about CS Lewis, you are because you have a thing against democracy!
{sorry admins, some shit just plain pisses me off}
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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
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Message 162 of 318 (645577)
12-28-2011 5:54 AM
Reply to: Message 149 by hooah212002
12-26-2011 3:59 PM


Re: Religious Reasons
Somehow responded to wrong poster
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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
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Message 237 of 318 (645885)
12-31-2011 2:42 AM
Reply to: Message 225 by Buzsaw
12-30-2011 10:10 PM


One Poster Remembers What Another Does Not Want
Buzsaw writes:
Group one: Regular Sunday go meetin fundi NT believers who pray regularly, read the Bible daily, work, attend religious functions often; i.e. your hated Biblio-fundies.
What a perfect description of Hong Xiuquan, #5 in the sweepstakes for an individual responsible for the most deaths in human history.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
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Message 249 of 318 (646156)
01-03-2012 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 243 by Buzsaw
12-31-2011 9:32 PM


Try Again
Buzsaw writes:
Group one: Regular Sunday go meetin fundi NT believers who pray regularly, read the Bible daily, work, attend religious functions often; i.e. your hated Biblio-fundies.
anglagard writes:
What a perfect description of Hong Xiuquan, #5 in the sweepstakes for an individual responsible for the most deaths in human history.
For those who don't know or more likely, don't want to know, Hong Xiuquan was the leader of the Taipeng Rebellion.
Here is the description from the wiki:
quote:
The Taiping Rebellion was a widespread civil war in southern China from 1850 to 1864, led by heterodox Christian convert Hong Xiuquan against the ruling Manchu-led Qing Dynasty. About 20 million people died, mainly civilians, in one of the deadliest military conflicts in history.
Hong, who had received visions and maintained that he was the younger brother of Jesus Christ, established the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom with its capital at Nanjing. The theocratic and militaristic regime instituted several social reforms, including strict separation of the sexes, abolition of foot binding, land socialization and common property, suppression of private trade, and the replacement of Confucianism, Buddhism and Chinese folk religion by a form of Christianity.
According to everything I have read on the subject, which I believe to be far more extensive than Buzsaw, the following is true about Hong Xiuquan:
Pray regularly - check
Read the Bible daily - check
Work - only if one considers leading tens of millions work - check
Attend religious functions often - try organized often - check
Hated Biblio-fundie - hated by the Qing among others, fundie, well he was pretty strict about that Christian morality - so, check
Now as to the numbers (from List of wars and anthropogenic disasters by death toll):
WW2: 40,000,000-72,000,000
An Lushan Rebellion: 33,000,000-36,000,000
Mongol Conquests: 30.000,000-60,000,000
Qing Dynasty Conquest of Ming Dynasty: 25,000,000
Taipeng Rebellion: 20,000,000-100,000,000
In referring to Hong Xiuquan as #5, I was using the low estimate.
Buzsaw writes:
How far fetched can you get, Anglagard? You're totally off the wire, applying one single strawman, having no resemblence of my description of group one, comprising of millions.
Please provide evidence of the claims of "strawman" or "no resemblance" instead of simply dismissing what you obviously find an unpleasant historical fact.
Edited by anglagard, : Missing link

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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