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To phat and chuck, is GWB a true christian? What about Newt Gingrich? I'm just trying to figure out what you guys would define as a true christian.And please don't give me a BS answer that looks like it was randomly generated by one of those jargon generators. I want head on specific answer, not one of those jargons written by buzsaw.

Ok, so GWB, who very openly and vocally supported the criminalization of homosexuality in his home state, is a christian, then?What about the crusaders who killed every man, woman, and child who lived in Jerusalem during the first crusade?Added by edit.On second thought, let's forget about the crusaders. No one can really say what those guys truly believed. Let's focus more on contemporary people.Do you think GWB is a true christian? What about Newt Gingrich? Ron Paul? Those church goers who voted to ban interracial couples from their church in Alabama a few weeks ago?Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

Ok, to phat and chuck, what about all the self-proclaimed christians who proclaimed that Obama was spending $200 million a day in India, even after the mainstream press debunked this claim. I seem to remember something about bearing false witness in one of the 10 commandments.So, again, do you guys think these people are true christians?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1rvnN1RNtYAdded by edit.I'm just having a lot of trouble understanding what you guys mean by true christian if all the true christian representatives out there have no problem bearing false witness.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

So, do you think all the christians who bore false witness against Obama are true christians or not? I'm not talking about hitler. He's dead and we can never know his true intentions. I'm talking about live people here.Do you think people like GWB, who very vocally supported the criminalization of homosexuality. Yeah, it was finally declared unconstitutional in 2002 by the US supreme court. Answer directly. Do you think criminalizing homosexuality is christ-like or not?Do you think Michele Bachmann is a true christian or not? She bore false witness against Obama when she kept insisting to the world Obama's trip to Asia cost $200 million a day. What about Rush Limbaugh?Remember what I said about dodging the question with verbose? Don't do that. I'm not even asking for a fact. I'm asking for your opinion. According to your standard, are these people true christians?

Bush for years very vocally and openly supported throwing people in jail for homosexual acts. Christians (in my area at least) love to use GWB as an example of a real christian. I highly doubt you can apply "temporary" to what equates to as years.

Haha, I was kinda expecting chuck or phat to admit this.

Let me rephrase the question. Do you vote for these people or not? Do you watch and endorse fox news or not? Well, gee, you didn't really answer the question.GWB all his life has very forwardly advocated throwing gay people into jail for being gay. The only reason he stopped advocating such laws (publically anyway) is because in 2002 the US supreme court finally declared such law unconstitutional.So, let me rephrase the question. Did you vote for GWB or not? Do you think GWB is a true christian? They claim to speak for you, the christian right. And you don't know what they stand for? Am I the only one who thinks there's something wrong with this moral high ground stance? Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

How the hell is talking about christian moral superior attitude not on topic in a moral high ground thread?I'm trying to push some christian members here to state clearly why they think certain christian stances (like throwing the gheys in jail) are morally superior.

I absolutely don't accept this. It seems human nature to try to escape responsibility. I've said this before and I'll say it again. Inaction is another way of approving. Just because you sat back and not participate in killings and other sins by your peers doesn't absorb you of responsibility. I would have felt better if half the German population was put into concentration camps after the war. They elected the nazis. They stood back and allowed the nazis to do all those things.This is why I'm not going to let this go. You Christians, in your morally superior ways, are allowing the socons to take over. Don't even try to deny responsibility.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

You remember wrong. I wasn't bragging about it. I had to temporarily live somewhere else at the time and completely forgot to register there. I missed out on the last pres election. You remember wrong, again. I don't believe democracy is a scam. I believe democracy is one of the best political tools we have. But I also think we could do a lot better than this. What democracy does is allow dumbasses in the unwashed masses to think they are so great.I strongly believe that we could improve our current system by having some kind of standardized test to license people to vote. Who am I? I am an American citizen who doesn't go out of my way to vote to have other people's rights taken away. Unlike the damn morally superior christians. I don't have a thing against democracy. I do have a thing against democracy of the unwashed masses.Go outside and ask random people if they can name the current 5 major Republican candidates. In fact, why don't you go out and specifically find hardcore republicans and ask them if they can name the current 5 major candidates in the Republican party. Now, ask them to name the 6 candidates who debated on fox in Iowa 2 weeks ago. Ask them to describe each candidates' position, their past controversies, etc.Chances are, you won't even find one person who can do this.Since when did we value people voting out of ignorance? And don't tell me them germans who voted for the nazis didn't know about their anti-semitic stance.I wasn't an Obama supporter until very recently. You could say I was a disgruntled hillary supporter for the first 3 years. But say I vote for candidate X and X turns out to be Hitler II, then yes I share responsibility just like everyone else who voted for the bastard.We live in a modern age where information is just a few keyboard strokes away. There's absolutely no excuse anymore for people's ignorance of the candidates they vote for.Added by edit.I'll make it easy for you. Ask your republican friends what Bachman's official position is on how to deal with Iran in regard to the downed spy drone. This should be an easy one for them to answer. If they are serious about who should be the next president, they ought to be able to answer this very simple question.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.