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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
anglagard writes: You forgot the Taiping Rebellion, no biggie, everyone seems to forget the Taiping Rebellion for some reason. Only killed 20 million at least, number 5 in all deaths caused by war, obviously influenced by Hong Xiuquan's interpretation of the work of Christian Missionaries. This is a strawman; apples & oranges. First, scores of wars involved religious aspects. Did you even read what your own Wiki link said about these wars and the number killed in them?
quote: This civil war led by a heterodox Christian convert. He, like so many pseudo professing Christians, acted counter to the tenets of Jesus and the apostles of the NT. Neither war troop casualties, tallied on both sides of a war or famines, etc, come under the definition of genocide. OTOH, RCC bloody perpetrators of the Inquisitions brutally tortured and murdered so many protesting true Christians who refused to recant and become subservient to the authority of the popes and bishops of Rome. Pious appearing despots professing Christianity persist in practices opposite to apostolic principles. They are as the religious Pharisees and Sadducee's, who Jesus soundly denounced as murderous snakes and vipers. The proponents of the fallacy that Christianity has been responsible for genocide have been posting mis-characterizations about true Christians and true Christianity. Relentless rants of several forum posters, regarding atrocities perpetrated under orders of ruthless rulers, wrongfully target real Christian followers of Christ and Christianity, respecting doctrines of scripture.
quote: You can click on the term, heterodox in your link, in which the following definition of the term is stated.
quote: BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
jar writes: Buz writes:OTOH, RCC bloody perpetrators of the Inquisitions brutally tortured and murdered so many protesting true Christians who refused to recant and become subservient to the authority of the popes and bishops of Rome. Buz, during the Inquisitions the only Christians involved were Roman Catholics. There were no "true Christians" other than the Roman Catholics in the West. Read Foxes Book of Martyrs. There were many non-Catholic true believers who were non-violent persecuted people who refused to recant and subject themselves to the Roman Catholic Popes and Bishops. Anyone, Roman Catholic, Jew, Muslim or professing Christian who dared practice or propagate any doctrines contrary to that of the RCC were persecuted and/or executed. Nor were they allowed to interpret scripture other than that of the popes and bishops. In Central and South America this sort of inquisition was applied up into the 19th and 20th century. I remember back in the 1950s and 60s when lives of protestant missionaries were in grave danger in nations like Columbia, Peru, etc by the actions of the priests and bishops who inflamed their adherents to forbid the preaching of the evangelical gospel. No practicing Roman Catholics were brutally tortured and burned alive at the stake by the Roman hierarchy during the Inquisitions.
quote: BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
hooah writes: When you have people who say "without god, there would be no morals/people would go around killing/if I didn't have jesus I would go around killing and raping", all you need to do is point out the atrocities in the name of religion and say "see, these people had jesus/god/whatever and still did bad shit" and that is enough to say that it matters not whether they believed in some god. In order for some group of people to claim the moral high ground, they have to actually be more moral as a whole than the group they claim to be more moral than. What you are saying would be like saying Jeffery Dahmer was a good guy because maybe one time he did something good. I really can see why it is hard for you guys to take off your rose coloured glasses and see your religion for what it truly is. What a life changing event it must be to admonish your fairy tale beliefs. Ok, Hooah, let's do some comparisons. Group one: Regular Sunday go meetin fundi NT believers who pray regularly, read the Bible daily, work, attend religious functions often; i.e. your hated Biblio-fundies. Group two. Rabble rousing pleasure seeking, non-working ne-er go to church, ne-er read a Bible, bunny hopper sex practitioners of about any and all who one can entice, regular bar customers, pot smoking, street occupiers, infrequently home, etc. Group three: Shariah practicing, go-by-the Koran, Haddith & Sunnahs, majority in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria, etc, Group four: Old Soviet Union leaders, police, atheistic minded military, politician, non church going, secularistic, etc. Group five. Secularist college student Group six: Mexican RRC oriented, non-Biblicalistic, city dweller Group seven: Wall Street Occupiers Group eight: Gay rightists seeking marriage perks, etc Group nine: Ultra liberal Democrats Group ten: RCC/Voodoo practicing Haitian etc. Group eleven. Folks who use vulgar and rough speech, cursing, etc. or folks who never curse, never practice what would be considered rough and vulgar speech. So on and so forth. Hooah, which one of these groups would have an equal or higher incidence of doing harm to someone, theft, murder, arrests, living in poverty, dependent on government perks, etc rather than providing for themselves, non productive, getting in scraps, fights, violent acts etc, etc? Pray tell, which, Hooah? BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
hooah writes: I don't agree with your "groups" and how you grouped them together. To be honest, I didn't read your post past group two. I.E. Hooah refuses to admit that group one, whom he detests, comprises of a culture's best, least troublesome and most productive citizens, as per group comparisons. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
NoNukes writes: Which of these groups of people is more likely to have a member who would bomb an abortion clinic, the 1996 Olympics, a church with four nine year old girls attending Sunday school, or to lynch a black man for whistling at a white woman, author the Turner diaries, have sex with underage male parish members while operating a ministry aimed at converting homosexuals to heterosexuals, bilk millions of dollars out of followers with a time share pyramid scheme, . Of course after they do these things, we decide that they were never real Christians. NoNukes, you need to go back and reread my description of group one. None of the above fit the description of that group. You need to understand that we're talking by and large, as well. By and large none of the other groups hold a candle, so to speak, to group one. A dozen or so, a class group of millions does not comprise. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
anglagard writes: Buzsaw writes: Group one: Regular Sunday go meetin fundi NT believers who pray regularly, read the Bible daily, work, attend religious functions often; i.e. your hated Biblio-fundies. What a perfect description of Hong Xiuquan, #5 in the sweepstakes for an individual responsible for the most deaths in human history. How far fetched can you get, Anglagard? You're totally off the wire, applying one single strawman, having no resemblence of my description of group one, comprising of millions. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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