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Author Topic:   Moral high ground
Portillo
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Message 38 of 318 (644691)
12-20-2011 4:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Butterflytyrant
12-17-2011 11:28 PM


Lets take a few examples. Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and their henchmen, in a period of 6 decades, killed 100 million people. Pol-Pot, in a period of 3 years, killed 2 million. The Inquisition which lasted 400 years, less than 2000 were killed. The Salem Witch Trials killed 19.
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I have noticed that many religious people seem to believe that they hold some sort of moral high ground. They seem to believe that because they follow the teachings of a particular faith, they automatically become superior to others when it comes to interpretation of scripture, moral and ethical judgements etc
Let me make this clear so that Im never misunderstood. I dont think I have a moral superiority to anyone. I cant speak for other Christians or other religious people. I am sick. Sick from sin and Jesus is my hospital.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Message 62 of 318 (644834)
12-21-2011 3:57 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Butterflytyrant
12-18-2011 6:50 PM


Re: I have some data from the Bible to put on the table
Biblical atrocities are fictional. Myths and fables.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 84 of 318 (645106)
12-23-2011 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Butterflytyrant
12-23-2011 7:31 AM


Re: History for dummies
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Lenin - Overthrow of capitalism through communist revolution
Stalin - Maintenance of Stalins communist rule. Paranoia and distrust.
Thats a relief. I was worried that those avowed atheists were killing in the name of atheism.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 92 of 318 (645140)
12-23-2011 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Butterflytyrant
12-23-2011 10:40 AM


Re: History for dummies
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Or was that you throwing something out there hoping that some of the lurkers will be ignorant as fuck and believe that you may actually have a point?
Try to debate without using swear words.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 128 of 318 (645312)
12-25-2011 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by Granny Magda
12-25-2011 6:33 AM


Re: Numbers From Fiction
My point was that most people here dont believe in the historicity of the Bible, but when it comes to atrocities, suddenly the Bible comes alive.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 181 of 318 (645669)
12-28-2011 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by Granny Magda
12-26-2011 4:43 AM


You cant create the utopia until you free people from religion and get rid of it.
My point wasnt that religion has never caused violence, but that atheistic totalitarian regimes have killed even more people than all religious atrocities put together. It doesnt matter to atheists that Stalin was an avowed atheist and wanted to exterminate religion. It doesnt matter that Lenin singularly selected Stalin because of his hatred of religion. It doesnt matter that Hitler was influenced by social Darwinism and Friedrich Nietzsche. Atheists can wipe their hands clean because fortunately, Stalin killed for other reasons not atheism. Even if Stalin thought that the elimination of religion was central and atheism essential to his revolution. Luckily, whenever he killed he removed his atheist ideology, then put it back on after. Stalin's atheism was front and center. It was not incidental but absolutely central to the whole scheme. Thankfully, Stalin was a murderer who just happened to be an atheist.
Religion is evil, the Soviet Union is evil, therefore the Soviet Union is religious. Its a ridiculous extrapolation, if you have any critical mind whatsoever. There were religious elements to the Soviet Union, but it was secular religion. To create a sense of community, cohesion, and identity, the Soviet Union created Communist Saturday, May Day, Victory Day, Constitution Day and Revolution Day. These were often counterparts to Christian rituals and events. Sounds like fun doesnt it!
So why cant the same "excuse" be used for Christianity? Is it possible that those that kill in the name of Jesus Christ are not actually living according to the teaching and spirit of Jesus? Is it possible that violence in the name of Christianity comes from NOT following Christianity as opposed to following it? Let me guess what the answer is, "No, all these men and women were Christian." Tell me is there some confusion here? And as far as violence by the Catholic Church is concerned, the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon. In fact, in the Book of Revelation, God destroys the Catholic Church which is "drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus."

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 185 of 318 (645710)
12-29-2011 3:54 AM
Reply to: Message 184 by Dr Adequate
12-29-2011 12:00 AM


Re: Same Ol' Double Standard
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It can, so long as you're consistent about it.
I never denied religious atrocities.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 317 of 318 (647734)
01-11-2012 3:32 AM


No murder
No anger
No retaliation
Commitment
Forgiveness
Love for your enemy
Its extremely hard to justify violence in the name of Christianity when you actually follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. So why do people do violence in the name of Christianity? The diagnosis is right here.
"Mans heart is deceitful and desperately wicked." - Jeremiah 17:9
"The imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth." Genesis 8:21
A great example of how a Christian should act happened in 2006 when a gunman broke into an Amish school in Pennsylvania and gunned down a group of schoolgirls. The gunman shot himself and left a suicide note that said that he was "filled with so much hate" against God. The Amish repudiate any form of violence because of their belief in the absolute moral authority of the person and teaching of Jesus. The Amish community offered only forgiveness in an act of nobility and dignity.
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And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

  
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