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kofh2u
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Message 272 of 304 (703813)
07-29-2013 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Eliyahu
07-29-2013 3:13 AM


Re: The truth must and will come out
So you think it is better to let people run after a false idolatrous religion, without showing them the truth??
Exactly...
Truth is the foundation for man if he wants to avoid personal problems and even the extinction of his species, a second death to his existence.
That was the point Jesus was making, when he stated over and over that he was personifying Truth, as an ideal, even to the point of rising up again like a Phoenix from the ashes of an attempted crucifixion.
The Truth will always arise and continue to confront men until the Facts-of-Life are taken into consideration.
That Christ was a spirit or Ideal representing Truth explains his relationship as the son-of-Reality, that ever unfolding next frame of existence within we are all both trapped and nurtured.
His father is the almost ineffable Force behind the eternal "now" which demands we bow down and adapt or die out forever.
Truth is the Image of The Reality to which it corresponds one-to-one when men conceive it.
Truth is our salvation because we must construct it from the data of seven senses that try to inform us about another "entity" that insists "I am" no matter how much we might try to ignore the Facts of Life.

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kofh2u
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Message 273 of 304 (703815)
07-29-2013 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Eliyahu
07-29-2013 3:13 AM


Re: The truth must and will come out
Exodus 20:1-3 And God spoke all these words: "I am Y-H-W-H your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME.
Yep,...
By the grace of this almighty Reality, Truth is the image by which men can "see" the face of this God:
Gen. 1:26 And God, (Father Nature, Reality), said, Let us, (i.e., his Natural Laws, together, in pan-en-theistic expression of the Spirit of God: [Gen 1:2]), make man, (through the process of gradual evolution ending in the finished Adam i.e.; Jesus),... Let us ((i.e., his Natural Laws) make man, (as a reflection of Reality, in his mind, able, through Truth, to imminently reflect the "I am" of this existence: [John 14:6]), IN OUR IMAGE, (after the spirit of our orderly panentheistic organization): and let them, (men as the Dominant species on earth to this day), have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

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kofh2u
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Message 275 of 304 (704143)
08-05-2013 2:05 AM
Reply to: Message 274 by Eliyahu
08-04-2013 7:19 AM


Re: The truth must and will come out
One explanation is that it is a majestic plural as used by kings. Another possible explanation is that God was talking to the angels.
LOL
That tired out old bromide of Majestic non-sense never explained the "Let us."
Majestic connotations have simply was used to cloud the obvious reference in Gen 1:2 to the Great Shechinah, or "spirit of God."
These two entities are the majestic plurality of "Let us."
Clearly, rational thinking understands "us" is that network of interacting forces that create each next frame of this eternally unfolding Reality that shouts out to us, "I am," too, here with you in this great mystery of Life.
...
Gen. 1:2 And the earth was without form, (a spinning cloud of molten matter and gases), and void: (not yet valid as a sphere- i.e.; an accretion disk), and darkness: [choshek: obscurity] was upon the face (of the disk) of the deep: [tehowm: the deep primeval abyss of the thick ring].
And (the great Shechinah), the spirit, (the pan-en-theistic Natural Laws) of God moved upon the face: [paniym: presence] of the "waters" (i.e.; of these transitory things spinning counter clockwise around the Sun: [mayim: Hebrew])

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kofh2u
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Message 292 of 304 (704241)
08-06-2013 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by ramoss
08-05-2013 10:45 PM


Re: The truth must and will come out
The trinity is called a 'mystery ' because it is an ad hock explaination to retrofit the concept of "Jesus being God' into Jewish Monotheism It is given a term to hide the fact that it totally and utterly does not make sense.
LOL
Yep,...
It doesn't make sense UNLESS you comprehend the WORD i.e.; Truth.
In John 14 Christ explains EXPLICITLY that he personifies Truth, the ideal.
Christ identifies himself as the spirit of Truth facing down the Pharisees and the lies they made out of the Old Testament.
Truth has a father, which is the ever unfolding Reality within which the living exist and must bow down.
EVEN if your reasoning from scripture disagrees..., with or without the Bible,... Truth is Lord of the living in the Reality which is Almighty for all life.

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kofh2u
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Message 293 of 304 (704242)
08-06-2013 8:14 PM
Reply to: Message 290 by jar
08-06-2013 4:51 PM


Re: There are no 100 and no 300 messianic prophecies. Doesn't exist.
et you failed to show that even ONE of your so called Prophecies referred to Jesus.
You ignore that Elijah DID come back in 32AD.
Malachi 3
1 I will send my messenger, (The Elijah in 32AD), who will prepare the way, (Jesus: I am the way John 14:6), before me, (God).
Then, (the day of my messenger), suddenly the Lord, (The Elijah) you are seeking will come to his temple: (i.e.; John 7:28 Then cried Jesus in the temple he that sent me, [i.e.; Elijah], is true); the messenger of the covenant (of Moses: Deut 18:15), whom you desire, will come, says the LORD Almighty.
2 But who (Christian or Jew, or atheist), can endure the day of his, (The Elijah), coming?
Who can stand (it) when he appears?
For he will be like a refiner’s fire, (Matt 3:1: He will fire-baptize with the fan in his hand) or a launderer’s soap
3 He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; he will purify the Levites (with Holocaust), and refine them like gold and silver.
Then, (in Universal Christianity), the LORD will have men who will bring offerings in righteousness (for 1000 years of Roman universal Christian, the Age of Monasticism),
4 and the offerings of Judah and (the New) Jerusalem [Rev 21:16] will be acceptable to the LORD, as in days gone by, as in former years (for a millennium).

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kofh2u
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From: phila., PA
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Message 298 of 304 (704267)
08-07-2013 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 297 by Eliyahu
08-07-2013 12:05 AM


Re: The truth must and will come out
Ripping Tanach texts which have no bearing on the messiah whatsoever, and then presenting them as "messianic prophecies", what they obviously are not, THAT is making lies out of the Tanach.
Nonsense.
You are just bias and unreasonable.
Clearly, as secular thinker, Truth is the equivalent of a messiah for mankind, because in seeing reality for what it is, both friend and foe, man can utilize the forces of (God) Nature to advantage and avoid the consequences that lead to the second death, of Extinction of the whole species.
That Jesus said it, Truth is the son-of-God, and the Rabbi of 32AD were offended made sense then, before Empirical Sciences could distinguish between truth and falsehood.
But you know better.
Truth is not our god, but certainly the lord we need seek to be saved.
The Almighty is the ever unfolding Reality that men must face.
If Reality is not your god, then as if jealous of the fantasy you live by, the almighty facts-of-life will convict you of insanity by definition.
God is Reality, clearly, because we must bow to it, while Truth is the son sired in its wake, as Reality unfolds.

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kofh2u
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From: phila., PA
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Message 299 of 304 (704268)
08-07-2013 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 295 by ramoss
08-06-2013 10:23 PM


Re: There are no 100 and no 300 messianic prophecies. Doesn't exist.
Seems to me that most people interpret the messanger to be John the Baptist
How do you interpret the story when you read it, and see the correspondences between the life of Elijah in 800BC and what Jesus did in 32AD?
(Elijah is the ONLY explicit promise in the Tanakh that predicts someone, a physical person, returning to earth as if immortal for 800years.)
They both did the same miracles, which was traditional supposed to identify Elijah when would come back.
Both Elijah and Jesus raised the dead
Both Elijah and Jesus were immortal.
Both Elijah and Jesus disappeared from the foot of a mountain.
Both Elijah and Jesus ascended into Heaven before witnesses.
Both Elijah and Jesus troubled Israel.
Both Elijah and Jesus were hunted down by the Jewish authorities.
Both Elijah and Jesus hid in a cave/tomb.
Both Elijah and Jesus pondered in the wilderness 40 days.
Both Elijah and Jesus walked on the water.
Both wrote letters to people on Earth after they had ascended.
Both appointed a successor, Elisha by Elijah, and Peter, by Christ.
Both were hunted by the Jewish authorities
Both gave a successor the power to raise the dead
Both gave a successor a symbolic authority, the cloak to one, the keys to the other.
Both asked that the this "cup" be taken from them.
Both are said to have had miraculous births.
Both multiplied the meal for many people they feed in the crowd
Both destroyed the pagan worshippers and priests, one Baal, the other, the Pantheon of Rome.
Both were promised faithfulness three times, Elisha in the former and Peter, in the latter.

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kofh2u
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From: phila., PA
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Message 300 of 304 (704269)
08-07-2013 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by jar
08-06-2013 8:33 PM


Re: There are no 100 and no 300 messianic prophecies. Doesn't exist.
Utter bullshit from kof2u who continues just just make shit up and pretend that it is actually in the Bible.
Classic example of perverting what was actually written.
silly nonsense...
The Bible SAYS Elijah would come back.
He never died, went to heaven, was immortal according to the story in 1Kings.
My interjects merely show how Jesus fits the bill inside the text of what is written.

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