Ive a question for you, however. Since science and creationism seem to have divergent conclusions, are the scientists merely blinded by a truth they cannot handle, in your opinion?
Phat - what a question. If I was to answer that here that would be considered a flame-war, and as usual, the thread would focus on me and what I had said, like with every other topic I take part in.
Since this is a kind of loose thread, I'll stay loose.
I think people don't value the truth anymore. It has become a poisoned pool. Pluralism abounds. One man will judge me to be evil in his subjective morals, another man will not. "Truth" has become nebulous, all they care about is winning.
This is why they are happy to attack the person, and say all manner of false things to make the person look bad, because the truth the person speaks is not relevant. In their puffed-up man-centred sinful nature, pride is king. As long as a person like me, a creationist, LOOKS wrong, LOOKS stupid, LOOKS beaten, then that is enough, all that matters is winning these days.
It's the old story of sin, of man thinking he know more than the one who created this existence.
There is a veil, we have spoken of it and we know about it but it is impossible to convey to those who wear it.
So I personally don't think the truth matters to them.
Remember, the bible says, that all those who hate God love death. It says that the fool has said that there is no God. But I think people like you Phat, are not given over to pride, I think you care enough about truth to hear what God Himself says, so here is what he says;
Isaiah 45.9. writes:
Woe to those who quarrel with their Maker,
those who are nothing but potsherds
among the potsherds on the ground.
Does the clay say to the potter,
‘What are you making?’
Does your work say,
‘The potter has no hands’?
10 Woe to the one who says to a father,
‘What have you begotten?’
or to a mother,
‘What have you brought to birth?’
11 This is what the LORD says
the Holy One of Israel, and its Maker:
Concerning things to come,
do you question me about my children,
or give me orders about the work of my hands?
12 It is I who made the earth
and created mankind on it.
Isaiah44 writes:
I am the first and I am the last;
apart from me there is no God.
7 Who then is like me? Let him proclaim it.
Let him declare and lay out before me
what has happened since I established my ancient people,
and what is yet to come
yes, let them foretell what will come.
8 Do not tremble, do not be afraid.
Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago?
You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me?
No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.
9 All who make idols are nothing,
and the things they treasure are worthless.
Those who would speak up for them are blind;
they are ignorant, to their own shame.10 Who shapes a god and casts an idol,
which can profit nothing?
11 People who do that will be put to shame;
such craftsmen are only human beings.
Let them all come together and take their stand;
they will be brought down to terror and shame.
Those who are nothing? This is the key - they are nothing, soon they will be dead, that is their prize, death shall feed on them, and yet they think they know more than an eternal God, and there is no other.
P.S. (Don't forget, the creation scientists are fully qualified scientists, don't fall for the "no true scotsman" fallacy, that states that they are not true scientists, such silly arguments abound, many of us understand the evolutionary hypothetics, we just don't say they are true. It's a silly fallacy, to believe that if you don't find a joke to be funny then you don't understand the joke. We understand the joke Phat, we "get it", we just don't think it's funny). Don't be fooled by the "base principles of this world" as Paul said, the, "empty philosophies".
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