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Author Topic:   Evidence for Evolution: Whale evolution
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Message 436 of 443 (805820)
04-20-2017 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 432 by Dr Adequate
04-20-2017 9:47 AM

Dr. Adequate: "... nothing to do with whales".

It is relevant to whale evolution - unscientific asssumptions and wild extrapolations lead people to theorise that it's possible for whales to evolve from deers.

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Message 437 of 443 (805821)
04-20-2017 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 435 by Dredge
04-20-2017 11:02 PM

Scientists are always encouraged to think about the weaknesses of their theories.

But the problem we are seeing is that creationists think that their unevidenced religious beliefs constitute weaknesses in scientific theories. This is not the case.

What we see is that creationists cling to their beliefs more tenaciously than barnacles to a rock, and that they do not tend to examine the weaknesses of their own beliefs.

Those who do find that their beliefs are often contradicted by real-world evidence.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 438 of 443 (805964)
04-21-2017 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 420 by Dr Adequate
04-19-2017 3:24 AM

Dr. Adequate: "in which textbooks?  Or did you make that up?"

In 2007, Discovery Institute published a list of ten modern textbooks that featured Haeckel's drawings.  However, I don't know what the situation is in 2017.

Also according to Discovery institute, Jay Gould wrote this in 2000: "We should ... not be surprised that Haeckel's drawings entered nineteenth century textbooks.  But we do, I think, have the right to be both astonished and ashamed by the century of mindless recycling that has led to the persistence of these drawings in a large number, if not a majority, of modern textbooks".

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Message 439 of 443 (805966)
04-21-2017 8:59 PM

Time to lay this one to rest - Going into summation mode
Previous posters to this topic get one last message.


Or something like that©.

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Message 440 of 443 (806045)
04-22-2017 11:58 AM

Whales didnt evolve
Its obvious that no one can even suggest that whale spout location, happened by chance so that a mamalian can live under water and breathe air from the surface. Fish did not become mamals, and mammals (like a whale) were not fish, and did not step by step through the billions of years get the right spout hole location, and all the other qualities and abilities and god given adaptions, they have.

Artists imaginations do not make proofs, theories do not make science. Whales did not evolve.

And Yes, some of these threads are ancient and archaic and long overdue for extinction. New threads are much needed, so that posters stay on topic and readers can read on topic comments, in a real debate where bpth sides are compelled to answer queries on their theories.

The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.


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Message 441 of 443 (806330)
04-24-2017 3:48 PM

Its obvious that no one can even suggest that whale spout location, happened by chance so that a mamalian can live under water and breathe air from the surface. Fish did not become mamals, and mammals (like a whale) were not fish, and did not step by step through the billions of years get the right spout hole location, and all the other qualities and abilities and god given adaptions, they have.

The summation from DavidJay is excellent. It is also telling.

Saying that your position is obvious is not an argument. It is an introduction to an argument. At best DavidJay hinted at questions for evolution supporters to address. He never presented much of anything other than assertions in support of his position. I think his best point dealt with asking for an explanation of the location of a whale's blowhole.

However DavidJay is not worth anyone's time. He does not respond to any points or questions in any meaningful way. He maintains a buffoon's idea of what the theory of evolution states; an idea from which he will not budge. He seeming does not understand basic ideas like selection, which makes it impossible to have any kind of meaningful with him.

On top of that, like many creationists, he seems to take on an air of superiority based on his lack of understanding of science and to ridicule debaters from the base of superiority. And of course, true to type, he declared himself the winner of the debate. Now, who else have we seen do that routinely?

Good for a laugh. Not much else happening here these days.


Oops. Completely forgot about AO Guy who actually started this thread.
Well, he was slightly better than DavidJay. At least he knows how to promise to discuss something. Still waiting for some sign that he understood the objections folks raised.

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Message 442 of 443 (806338)
04-24-2017 4:23 PM

In the last few weeks I've learnt yet again that you can't have a sane discussion with people that are simply irrational.

I'm wondering why this is such a hard thing to stay learned.

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Message 443 of 443 (806341)
04-24-2017 4:48 PM

A couple uneducated and uneducable clowns dragged an interesting thread off course. They did a great job entertaining us and vindicating science, evolution, and education, so not a total loss.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

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