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Message 191 of 236 (648211)
01-13-2012 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by Butterflytyrant
01-13-2012 8:57 PM


Re: Dat's Perdi' Fascist of You...
And I dont have a problem with some elements of fascism, particularly exalting the nation over the individual. I would expand it further than that and say the planet or species over the individual.
I take the opposite view. I hold that the individual is the sole arbiter of human affairs.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.
Robert A. Heinlein

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Message 196 of 236 (648426)
01-15-2012 5:23 PM
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01-15-2012 5:12 PM


Re: Dat's Perdi' Fascist of You...
Can't say you are totally off base, but I still have faith in the individual. One problem is we don't put enough emphasis on responsibility any longer.
Democracy is based on the assumption that a million men are wiser than one man. How’s that again? I missed something.
Autocracy is based on the assumption that one man is wiser than a million men. Let’s play that over again, too. Who decides?
Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love, 1973

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Message 202 of 236 (648438)
01-15-2012 7:45 PM
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01-15-2012 7:40 PM


Re: Dat's Perdi' Fascist of You...
People need to be controlled.
Political tags--such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and. so forth--are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.
Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love, 1973

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Message 226 of 236 (648528)
01-16-2012 10:51 AM


Fascism
The term "fascism" is being tossed around a lot lately, and has degenerated to being used to mean "anything I don't like."
There is a comprehensive article on what fascism actually is on Wiki:
Fascism - Wikipedia
Makes good reading.

  
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