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Dogmafood
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Message 192 of 236 (648214)
01-14-2012 12:40 AM
Reply to: Message 189 by Butterflytyrant
01-13-2012 8:57 PM


Re: Dat's Perdi' Fascist of You...
Peoples votes should be weighted by their knowledge and understanding of the issue being voted on.
That is called a technocracy. In a democracy you take all comers.
This is a curse because we are saddled with the ambient level of stupidity that everyone rails about everyone else having but do not suffer from themselves. This is a blessing because the stupidity that everyone actually does have is not all in the same place. This has proven to be a great strength of democracy.
And I dont have a problem with some elements of fascism, particularly exalting the nation over the individual. I would expand it further than that and say the planet or species over the individual.
Feel free to call me a fascist although the label is not accurate.
Nations are only important because the individuals are important. The species is only important because the individuals are important. Placing the nation above the individual is the essence of fascism.

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Dogmafood
Member (Idle past 367 days)
Posts: 1815
From: Ontario Canada
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Message 212 of 236 (648461)
01-15-2012 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by Butterflytyrant
01-15-2012 7:22 PM


Re: Dat's Perdi' Fascist of You...
There are lots of good reasons that a good citizen would put the nation above him or herself. If someone does this of their own accord (like the examples I provided in the reply to Coyote) are they a fascist?
Am I a fascist because I have chosen not to have more than two children because I put the nation, my planet and my species above my own rights and desires?
I think what you are doing is identifying, correctly, that it is in your own interest to not have more than 2 children. I made the same decision. It is in our children's interest and in their children's interest. This is fundamentally different from someone else telling you that you may not have more children because it is against the law, as NoNukes points out.
This is the strength of democracy where the motivation remains with the individual. It will always be more robust and sustainable than any kind of top-down system even though you have to accept that some people will be 'wrong' on certain issues and have the right to be so. It is the very sloppiness of the system that makes it work.
Of course we need restrictions and police to enforce them but they have to be backed by popular consent or it wont work. The only hope lies in education but it has to be voluntary. You cant teach anybody anything that they dont want to learn. If we are not smart enough as a species then we are fucked anyway. Authoritarian efforts at survival will only make our demise that much more unpleasant.

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