Alright, I will do my best to leave the snark out. No promises, but I will try...
lithodid man writes:
This is incorrect. From
Page not found | ArgoFor the upper 700m, the increase in heat content was 16 x 1022 J since 1961. This is consistent with the comparison by Roemmich and Gilson (2009) of Argo data with the global temperature time-series of Levitus et al (2005), finding a warming of the 0 - 2000 m ocean by 0.06C since the (pre-XBT) early 1960's
You did not show that my claim was incorrect. All you did was show that ocean heat content increased since 1961. I showed that ocean heat content decreased since 2003. Both are true, and so all you did was smoke and mirrors.
According to the ARGO data from the link above, in 2003 the OHC (oceanic heat content) was 9 x 10^22 J. In 2004 it was 12 x 10^22 J. In 2005 it was 14 x 10^22 J. In 2006 it was 13 x 10^22 J (decreased!). In 2007 14 x 10^22 J, 2008 13 x 10^22 J, then back up to 14.5 x 10^22 J in 2009. I really do not understand how the ARGO data can be interpreted as an OHC decrease since 2003. Is it possible that you are referring to the Lyman et al (2006) article I see cited by several climate change skeptics? That paper did use ARGO data (in part) to show a OHC decrease. However, I have yet to see a single 'skeptic' source that includes the correction by Willis et al. (2007)
Willis et al. writes:
Most of the rapid decrease in globally integrated 18 upper (0—750 m) ocean heat content anomalies (OHCA) between 2003 and 2005 reported by Lyman et al. [2006] appears to be an artifact resulting from the combination of two different instrument biases recently discovered in the in situ profile data.
IOW, the oceanic cooling trend reported was an error and one corrected by the scientists who published the original research.
foreveryoung writes:
I did not write the article in the hockeyshtick; I gathered quite a bit of information from it however
Okay, I do see that. This is not intended to be accusatory, but is important for this discussion: Did you read the sources you referenced (Robertson & Watson 1992, Clark 2010, Humlum 2012) or did you cull the refs from the Hockeyshtick post (and others similar)? The difference is pretty important for a number of reasons. Again, I am not asking for some kind of 'gotcha' thing, I just do not want to spend time discussing how Robertson & Watson (for example) do not support your point if all you know about that paper is a few quote mines from anti-AGW blogs and do not actually have it in hand (or at least have read it thoroughly).
You made the claim that "your point still stands" (regarding research since Robertson & Watson). I find this to be a pretty unusual claim as your point didn't even stand using the original paper. Let me clarify:
foreveryoung writes:
This paper shows that the evaporative cooling of the ocean skin from increased downwelling infrared radiation allows increased uptake of CO2 due to increased solubility of CO2 at lower temperatures
Are you claiming that Robertson & Watson are claiming infrared radiation actually cools the ocean? Not only do they not make this claim, the research since then has shown that any thermal skin effects are likely to be unimportant in the global oceanic carbon budget. It is exactly this kind of statement that makes me question whether or not you read the source you claim to be using or are just taking hockeyschtick's word on what it says.
Finally, on the Humlum 2012 paper. I am sorry for the snark and sarcasm. My confidence level in the new paper was not bolstered by the fact that the specific claims you presented were exactly the same claims he had made in the 2011 paper. Since I haven't read the paper, and you have, please explain to me what new evidence or research Humlum is presenting that is not a rehashing of his 2011 work. I should have a copy in under a week, and would be more than happy to discuss it then
Note: The references below are included as I made reference to them in the post above. These are not intended as an unspecified refutation of your points but as support for mine. I apologize if that was unclear in my previous post.
Lyman, J. M., J. K. Willis, and G. C. Johnson (2006) Recent cooling of the upper ocean. Geophysical Research Letters 33: L18604
Robertson, J. E., and A. J. Watson (1992) Thermal skin effect of the surface ocean and its implications for CO2 uptake. Nature 358: 738-740
Willis, J. K., J. M. Lyman, G. C. Johnson, and J. Gilson (2007) Correction to "Recent cooling of the upper ocean". Geophysical Research Letters 34: L16601
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