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Author Topic:   Looking for dicussion on how to explain faith healing in a naturalist manner
Kairyu
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Message 31 of 32 (651971)
02-11-2012 9:01 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by jrchamblee
02-09-2012 9:38 PM


I've seen you send me a PM about the topic jrchamblee. I appreciate that you took the trouble to send me one even though I'm a skeptic of sorts, honest, but.. You saw with God anything is possible in the PM, and that alone can confuse us. Well, I wouldn't really mind positive miracles by themselves. But however, it's the large amount of failures, and the psychological pain those leave, that's something what all those people who praise miracles tend to forget. Not to mention accepting belief in God just because of mysterious healings.. Then I have to fit all the various negative things I uncovered withing a theistic reality, while, with a bit of maturity, I was at peace with them in a naturalistic world. Look a bit around in the debates to see what those problems are.
I'm also a bit troubled by the proposed working of faith healing, that you now repeat here. How do you absorb the broken state of a bone to leave a mended bone?It will will heal on it's own, the bone is just broken due to trauma. Illness and wounds are not a ''energy'', just as the world is not made out of the elements of earth, fire, wind, and water, as people thought in the past.

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Kairyu
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Message 32 of 32 (657840)
03-31-2012 8:51 AM


3 months later
The insights this topic offered me broke open my mind again, before this, I was still to distressed to rationally deal with the subject. Back when the topic was made, the post weren't yet enough to fully convice me there was nothing to worry about. But as I remained on the forum, read some other sources, and reaffirmed my skeptical views about Christianity in other areas, I revisted this topic every now and then, slowly becoming more able to see the logic of them fully.
I saw the result coming a while before it happened: last week, I was finally able to cut the mental knot, and again I consider myself a atheist again now. Still, when I'm hungry or tired, in other words, less rational, it does still bug me a bit, although this effect is getting more rare. I still need to read Randi's ''the faih healers'' (and also the podcast provided here as well, actually), and perhaps registering in the forums of his foundation could also benefit me. I still have a long way to go before truly understanding the practice, and also ''private'' faith healing is stil something I need more information about.
Still, by now, some thanks are in order, I needed some personal argumentation, and more information, and you gave it. Going to stay around on the forums to learn some more, even though I don't post much due to inexperience.

  
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