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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So far no one has been able to show us any absolute morality. There might be one but as of yet, none have been put forward.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I just think that if morality exists, then it must necessarily be absolute. Okay, I believe that is what you believe. So what is an example of an absolute moral? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What does any of that have to do with morality or whether or not it is absolute?
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What does any of that have to do with morality or whether or not it is absolute?
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Because if morality exists, then we are all rightly condemned and in need of mercy. Again you have not offered anything other than your assertion, and in particular nothing that has anything to do with morality. What is an example of absolute morality? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
God is by definition the only thing that is absolute! So anything that is His, such as law would also be absolute. Ah, you mean the Invisible Pink Unicorn, or the FSM, or Loki, or Shiva or Odin, or Jupiter? You might be refering to the Jewish/Christian/Muslim GOD (and I might agree with you) but that would just be my opinion, hardly an absolute. But you still have not brought us an example of Absolute Morality. It's fine play with words. even pusing your opinions, but the thread, YOUR thread is on "Is morality absolute or relative?" Before that question can be answered we need some idea of what an absolute moral might be. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
First, are any of them either moral or absolute?
The first is only absolute if you happen to be a Christian. The second is absolutely relative. What the hell is a graven image? The third is yet another commandment to Jews and Christians. The fourth was shown to be relative by no one less than Jesus himself. When your ass is in a crack on the sabbath you don't wait till the next day to pull it out. So said Jesus. The fifth is absolutely relative. So are all of the rest. Sorry, not one absolute there, and infact, not one of them have anything really to do with morality. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
jar... Do you acknowledge that absolute truth exists? Well, frankly that has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. I know that there are some things that are so well supported that they approach near certainty, like anyone born will die, like evolution happened, like there has not been a global flood in atleast the last 600,000 years, like night will follow day. But what does that have to do with morality and whether it is absolute or relative? Can we stick to the subject? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I think you miss the point guys... morals and law are actually synonomous. Sorry but that is just another unsupported assertion. It is also one that is demonstrably false. What is the moral basis for a 30MPH speed limit. How is 30MPH more moral than 31MPH, or 30.5MPH? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What does any of that have to do with whether morality is absolute or relative?
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Again, what does anything in your message have to do with whether or not morality is absolute or relative. And frankly, you do not know what you are talking about. I do not hate GOD, in fact, I am a Christian, have started a church, personally helped build two churches and taught Sunday school for both adults and kids.
Making unfounded statements like you do add nothing to your message. The issue is whether morality is absolute or relative. If you position is that it is absolute then you need to present evidence or argument of why you think it is absolute. Pick something that you think you can support and then stick to trying to make your best possible case. Quite misrepresenting what people say. Where have I said I hate the ten commandments? If you believe I'm a liar, then show where I have lied or apologize immediately (by the way, calling another memeber here a liar, even if true, is grounds for getting banned). If I'm an adulterer, bring on the proof. If you don't have such proof, then apologize. Stick to the topic. It is your topic. Is morality absolute or relative? Did Jesus say that if your ass fell in a crack on the sabbath you should go pull it out instead of waiting 'till the next day? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Topic Rob.
Is morality absolute or relative? We are still waiting for you to show why you think morality is absolute. You have not yet given us an example of absolute morality. I can think of examples of things that are moral, such as "Love others as you love yourself". That is moral. But it is not absolute. It is realtive. Love others as you love yourself. So we still await an example of absolute morality, an example that can be supported. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sorry, totally off topic.
The issue is YOUR topic.
jar writes: Topic Rob. Is morality absolute or relative? We are still waiting for you to show why you think morality is absolute. You have not yet given us an example of absolute morality. I can think of examples of things that are moral, such as "Love others as you love yourself". That is moral. But it is not absolute. It is realtive. Love others as you love yourself. So we still await an example of absolute morality, an example that can be supported. from Message 91 Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What is it about you fundametalist Christians that you are always threatening folk and misprepresenting what others say?
You started this thread, The topic is "Is morality absolute or relative?" I asked a simple question related to your topic
jar writes: Topic Rob. Is morality absolute or relative? We are still waiting for you to show why you think morality is absolute. You have not yet given us an example of absolute morality. I can think of examples of things that are moral, such as "Love others as you love yourself". That is moral. But it is not absolute. It is realtive. Love others as you love yourself. So we still await an example of absolute morality, an example that can be supported. and instead of supporting your position, you turn to threats. Is that what you think Christianity is all about? Do you think that is the lesson that Jesus came to teach? And you say I am not the Christian. You are but a Goat. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It's really simple Rob, in fact it is your topic.
Topic Rob. Is morality absolute or relative? We are still waiting for you to show why you think morality is absolute. You have not yet given us an example of absolute morality. I can think of examples of things that are moral, such as "Love others as you love yourself". That is moral. But it is not absolute. It is realtive. Love others as you love yourself. So we still await an example of absolute morality, an example that can be supported. Instead of sermonizing how about supplying some evidence in support of your position. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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