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Author Topic:   Is morality absolute or relative?
Rob 
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Message 70 of 150 (320303)
06-10-2006 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by crashfrog
06-10-2006 10:51 PM


Re: don't you get it... imean c'mon!
Laws are useful, whether they're enacted by the conventions of government or even enshrined into "morals." Societies that have them are more effective than those that don't.
My head is going to explode!
Useful???
More Effective???
For what assumed purpose that is then the absolute meaning of life?

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Message 77 of 150 (320335)
06-10-2006 11:58 PM
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06-10-2006 11:05 PM


Re: don't you get it... imean c'mon!
the absolute meaning of life
My considered opinion is that 'there ain't no such thing'.
That is your absolute. Everybodys got one, because we can't say what is true without one. The truth is absolute!

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Message 78 of 150 (320337)
06-11-2006 12:00 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by nwr
06-10-2006 11:54 PM


Re: lets be fair now... I've always admitted when I'm outdone...
Incidently, laws are made by humans, so are relative to the decisions of those humans
Do humans have the right to impose their morality?

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Message 81 of 150 (320347)
06-11-2006 12:07 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by crashfrog
06-10-2006 11:22 PM


Re: don't you get it... imean c'mon!
I would think you would find it pretty obvious that people don't like to live in chaos. Isn't that exactly what your side tells us will happen if there's no morals?
Absolutely! I'm just shocked that you believe a human being can impose morals on another human being. I mean, you think laws are based on morals that are man-made. Yet you think one man has the right to impose on another.
I think only God has that right. So when I support a law, it is with the understanding that it is true, for example, that we shall not kill. And that to do so is a crime against God more so than myself.

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Message 82 of 150 (320349)
06-11-2006 12:08 AM
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06-11-2006 12:03 AM


Re: lets be fair now... I've always admitted when I'm outdone...
I'm not Confused at all.

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Message 84 of 150 (320352)
06-11-2006 12:10 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by nator
06-10-2006 11:37 PM


Re: Law has nothing to do with morality.
Do you hate Santa Claus?
What about Krishna?
The Great Galactic Goat?
I hate evil! Especially when I see it in myself.

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Message 85 of 150 (320356)
06-11-2006 12:20 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by crashfrog
06-11-2006 12:09 AM


Re: don't you get it... imean c'mon!
So, you only do the right thing because God is going to hurt you if you don't
That was beautiful Crash... Right there is the heart of it boy!
Harken! I do not do the right thing, and I fear God because my penalty is just!
I was honest with Him about it, and was really broken about it. No fakey fakey! I cried like a baby!
To my suprise, He died for me. So it is not as though I can be righteous. I'm not!
Fortunately He is and He has restored my sight.
You guys are the one's who mock 'sin' remember? I'm free from trying to justify myself. I'm a guilty man, who got off scott free. Not because I'm good, but because the judge is good to those willing to face the music.
Your already guiltless, and it is that attitude that blinds you! You will die not because you sinned so much as because you refuse to admit it. Without opening your hearts to that, you will never see!
I pray that will change!
Edited by Rob, : No reason given.

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Message 87 of 150 (320361)
06-11-2006 12:27 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by crashfrog
06-11-2006 12:23 AM


Re: don't you get it... imean c'mon!
I don't get it.
Is this stuff that you think we haven't heard before?
I really don't know if you've ever heard it before, but I know that you don't get it.
I'll say this Crash... no mere man ever convinced me either!
Edited by Rob, : No reason given.

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Message 89 of 150 (320363)
06-11-2006 12:32 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by crashfrog
06-11-2006 12:28 AM


Re: don't you get it... imean c'mon!
It's also false
Fine! Even if it is absolutley true, that doesn't mean you have to believe it!
It's either the truest thing in all eternity, or the most damnable lie that ever was!
Whatever the case... 'It is absolute!'
Edited by Rob, : No reason given.

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Message 90 of 150 (320364)
06-11-2006 12:33 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by Rob
06-11-2006 12:32 AM


Re: don't you get it... imean c'mon!
You see why no man ever convinced me????
Because I'm not 'that' good...
Edited by Rob, : No reason given.

Any biters in the stream?

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Message 92 of 150 (320367)
06-11-2006 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by crashfrog
06-11-2006 12:28 AM


Re: don't you get it... imean c'mon!
I used to be a Christian just like you, after all.
Yeah I used to be too in the sense you mean... then I found out it is actually true, and left the religious stuff behind! I've been born agian.

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Message 94 of 150 (320370)
06-11-2006 12:41 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by jar
06-11-2006 12:37 AM


Re: don't you get it... imean c'mon!
I have explained myself very clearly! You just can't hear me.
If you don't mind, allow me to quote one of my favorite sources...
'Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!'
-Jesus Christ-
Rob
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Message 96 of 150 (320373)
06-11-2006 12:45 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by crashfrog
06-11-2006 12:40 AM


Re: don't you get it... imean c'mon!
Except, it's all fake. It's all false
If that is true Crash, it is ABSOLUTE!
Edited by AdminJar, : No reason given.

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Message 97 of 150 (320376)
06-11-2006 12:51 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by jar
06-11-2006 12:44 AM


Re: don't you get it... imean c'mon!
Is morality absolute???
Yes! And the only way that can be true is if Jesus Chrsit is who He claimed to be.
Just because you don't see that, doesn't make it off topic!
Some people get it! Hopefully someone here might even catch on. If so, it isn't because I win an argument, but because God speaks to those He is calling!
Ps. If morality was relative, and I believed that. You would not be safe! Because I understand the implications! So does Charles Manson!
Enjoy your achievments and prominence in whatever illusory capacity drugs you jar. It's as high as you'll ever know and won't last nearly as long as you think...

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Message 98 of 150 (320382)
06-11-2006 1:01 AM


moderator tolerance
I just wanted to say that I have been very impressed with the tolerance given in this thread as to the topics tangents. Even if the topic tracks are a measure of interpretation, I have seen here far more lenience than I expected. Please don't misunderstand as I am not thanking the administrators.
Such developments I think are far more Divine...
Rob

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