I would just like to point out one thing here. “Implied missing bits”. Have you ever heard of low-context culture, high-context culture? (No, I’ve not been on this forum long, but the format is wreaking havoc on my eyes. This is no insult. I have read through many of the posts, but I don’t find anything of interest, yet)
High-context: A culture where information is widely shared. It’s when the group is of greater importance than the individual. Information is common to all. For a modern day example, think about those born in the 80-90’s in the UK area. Most would have heard of “Mr. Bean.” Those familiar with it, as in part of the group, would understand any imitation of Atkinson’s humour.
Or maybe another different type of example. The phrase “Skeleton in the closet”. One does not need to cite a literary expert for the person one is speaking to to understand.
Low-context: The non-fiction books we see around us now are all low-context. They all have many references, which, by the way, many people do not follow up on. The author has to reference his/her views because otherwise few people would understand him. (Or have to take his word for it)
If there is anything I haven’t explained or is not clear, please bring it up.
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quote: And the intended reader was Israel, not you. That's exactly why the Bible should not be taken literally. It should be taken in the context in which it was meant. If you understand that, why are you a creationist?
Yes, the intended reader was Israel. So, if we read it like the Israelites, we would understand the text in the same way as the Israelites. Therefore, given this, add our more substantial knowledge, and we can definitely see if it’s the Truth or not. After all, I think that Science is merely one way of looking for the truth, or in some cases, it’s called knowledge.
Why creationists here worn out so fast? Because there are so many of you and so few of us. Each of you post a reply to something we say. We have to post a reply to all that you say. Otherwise, it’s aha. You don’t have an argument. Get me? It’s not the debate. It’s the volume of it.
Dr., Re: first point. The Jes did understand the Scriptures. Jesus was not against the Scriptures. He was against the additional laws that the Pharisees imposed on the people, all of which were excessive. The “experts” in this case were jealous of Him, He was much the more popular. Common crowds can be stirred up quite easily. I’ve seen it done before.
quote: And yet the readers of the OT, using their "common knowledge" cried: "Crucify him! Crucify him!" The "implied missing bits" were not such "common knowledge" as to prevent them from sadistically murdering God incarnate. But you think that their consensus --- their "common knowledge" --- is sufficient for us to agree on less important stuff than whether it is OK to torture God to death? To be a Christian, you have to believe that the most important fact in the world ever was concealed and hidden in the OT from the Jews: from their experts, from their religious enthusiasts, and from the common people. So let's hear no more about this "high context culture".
You make mistakes here. I’ve already shown why they wanted him crucified. It was not use of their common knowledge, it was use of their shared jealousy. So this “high-context culture”, supported by the historical community, as I’ve shown, stands.
Nope, I did not say they KNEW it was so. They wanted Him crucified because they were jealous, not because he was the Messiah. You see, He hadn’t yet fulfilled the prophecies, which is another topic altogether.
How is that? I think that's a good question. You see, at the point where Jesus came to Earth, there had not been a prophet for around 400 years. Thus the appearance of Jesus was something they were not expecting. It was not, however, common knowledge that the Messiah would be Jesus. He did not absolutely say He was the Son of God until the High Priests interrogated him. Even then they had no reason to believe that He was indeed the Messiah, since it is not stated in the Scriptures.