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Topic: When does human life begin?
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 7 of 327 (649407)
01-23-2012 9:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by shadow71
01-23-2012 8:41 AM
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As far as I recall in the UK the fetus has no rights till it is born but as Percy say 'life' is and arbitarary point. When you say 'life' what exactly do you mean? In the UK 24 weeks is concidered the cut off for abortion and this boils down to being viable.
The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 11 of 327 (649432)
01-23-2012 10:20 AM
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Reply to: Message 10 by nwr
01-23-2012 10:14 AM
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If, on the other hand, "human life" refers to being a moral agent, then that agency slowly develops over the first few years after birth. It does not suddenly jump into existence. That would be my logical position but I can't look at a baby and think that way (even though I know there is no agency or personality there). Instinct wins out over logic.
The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 23 of 327 (649472)
01-23-2012 4:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 16 by shadow71
01-23-2012 2:46 PM
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How is that any more alive than one sperm and egg cell, two centimetres apart? What about Down's or Edward's syndrome babies? By your definition they are not alive. Edited by Larni, : No reason given.
The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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So what is it exactly about this issue that makes it any different? Speaking for myself, the difference is that I would always place the life of my wife over the life of her unborn baby.
The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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It ceases to be black as soon as it becomes grey. It ceases to be grey when it becomes white. Black does not actually become white. /pedantry
The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Well I'm sorry but it is immoral to decide one's person hood based on something as wishy washy as majority opinion. I happen to agree. But in reality we make immoral choices all the time, just to get by. Abortion is just one of them. That's the world we live in.
The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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