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Author Topic:   When does human life begin?
frako
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Message 26 of 327 (649481)
01-23-2012 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by shadow71
01-23-2012 8:41 AM


The Catholic chrurch's postion is that life begins at conception.
Nope the Catholics church's position is that life begins the moment the sperm leaves the penis (condoms are evil, spilling ones seed is sin .... )
The BIBLE on the other hand says life begins 8 days after birth when the child gets a name ....
In reality life begins when the sperm and the egg form the cell that may one day become a human being.
Thing is when is it a human being? The single cell is definitively not a human being its a cell like the cells that make up your body you loose millions of skin cells every day should we consider them human also have a mourning period each day for the cells we lost??
And then there are other questions like:
What if the mother was raped?
What if the child will die in monts after birth or have a miserable life do to genetic disorders?
What if the pregnancy endangers the mothers life?
and millions more scenarios where the clear cut morality of dont kill cells that may one day become human is in question.

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frako
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Message 53 of 327 (649536)
01-24-2012 5:12 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Just being real
01-24-2012 12:55 AM


However in other cases where we are unsure, we usually pass laws that error on the side of safety.
And most countries do have such laws about abortion, its allowed during the first 3 months of pregnancy give or take a few weeks . So both sides of the issue are addressed. The danger to the mother and her choice what is going on with her body, and the protection of the child to be. Changing the law to either extreme never or until birth forces eiher the mother to risk her life or bodily harm, or forces a child that could survive on its own to die, or be bodily harmed.
At 3 months the "child" is a few centimetre large (i think 3) and his survival chance is bellow 50% it reaches 50% at week 24. Basicily your if you are against this you are saying a pile of goo the size of your thumb has more right to live then the mother has rights to her own body or her right lo live.
edit: got the week wrong 24 fixe
Edited by frako, : edit: got the week wrong 24 fixed it

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frako
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Message 67 of 327 (649622)
01-24-2012 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Rahvin
01-24-2012 3:26 PM


Therefore we should determine morally correct action by assuming that it was white from the very beginning, so that we can err on the side of caution.
Um it clearly isnt white at the beginning its BLACK then it gets GRAY, then muddy white, after that white.
You can say if we want to err on the side of caution lets count muddy white as white too, or even gray as white too, but you cant count black as if it where white, cause it clearly is not.
But since muddy white and gray are also clearly not white you have 2 whole safety steps to make sure no white gets left out.

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