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Author Topic:   Morality Decreasing With Time?
ReverendDG
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Message 121 of 305 (371239)
12-20-2006 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by anastasia
12-20-2006 5:55 PM


Re: If you have evidence now is the time to bring it forward.
Sure, but that is the old testament. In the new, we are presented with a different standard 'love thy enemy', and the old one just doesn't cut the mustard anymore.
so pretty much its not an absolute, if you need to shift the meanings and alter how you present your argument to keep going, i don't think its working
there just isn't any absolutes, not even god has absolutes, look at the big 10 and look later in a majority of the books, he has no problem breaking his own rules and allowing others to do so.
of course i'd get the ol' god doesn't count since he's god, but it shows they arn't absolutes, anymore than man made laws are
just because people have common laws do not make them absolutes, we all have laws over murder but most of them differ, but we make laws and morals because we all share the same problems, with differing factors for happening
back then i doubt they would have a law about someone running someone over with a car on accident, but i bet they had a law about shooting someone in the back wwith a bow on accident, but we don't, well we do, but it really doesn't happen
my point is its an absurd argument to make that universal moral laws exist simply because every culture has the same problems and punishs them
every culture has killed a murderer for murder, but they don't treat them the same in how they do it or for the same logical reasons

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ReverendDG
Member (Idle past 4132 days)
Posts: 1119
From: Topeka,kansas
Joined: 06-06-2005


Message 183 of 305 (371928)
12-24-2006 2:57 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by Rob
12-24-2006 1:49 AM


Re: On Absolutes
An absolute is that which is unchanging. By definition, God is the only absolute.
i guess you ignore all the parts in the bible where god changes his mind then?
like umm the flood?
he regrets flooding the earth, if he was unchanging why would he care since man disobayed him?
god does change, he changes according to what is written about him, or do you ignore the fact that he is really different from genesis to exodus to zecheria to isaiah to psalms to matthew, to john, to paul?, to revelations?
the fact is we know next to nothing about god, we can't claim he is never changing, infact before they wrote down he never changed, he did!
It's reality. It's the way things are meant to be. It is purpose, meaning, and origin. All that was revealed in the life of Christ.
maybe your reality, you already believe this, i don't see it in the OT or NT, you do because you already believe he never changes
Not the kind of answer that will satisfy your taunt, but the answer nonetheless.
this is no answer, you can't speak for god anymore than the bible can, there no evidence god doesn't change in the bible to begin with
theres a damn well lot of change from the genesis god to the exodus god, i have found, and between the genesis god and the relevelation god by a long shot

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ReverendDG
Member (Idle past 4132 days)
Posts: 1119
From: Topeka,kansas
Joined: 06-06-2005


Message 224 of 305 (372049)
12-24-2006 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by Rob
12-24-2006 2:42 PM


Re: On Absolutes
But what if I was to say to you, 'Don't give me that ooey gooey nonsense about loving your mother. I want proof that you love your mother. Bring forth the witnesses and show me the money! And don't bother with that, because they are not credible witnesses. I don't believe you love your mother. And nothing you can say can prove to me that you do!
i could do that, i believe they have tests that show the chemecal changes in the brain from the emotions of love, hate, lust,etc
Your just making assertions that are not in any way verifiable. And don't give me any emotional examples that you ASSUME or PROJECT on to me, and expect me to relate. That is just avoiding the subject and trying manipulate me into admitting that I understand something I do not! I want a logical argument only... that proves to me you love your mother. Don't let your emotion get in the way!
sorry this post shows you really don't deserve any respect from your fellow posters, don't you know you only get repsect when you show it?
the fact is no one repects people who post scripture as an argument or people who make absurd posts about something such as what i quoted, i've seen it before and its still a hopeless arguement
jar... are you listening?
do you listen to what you say? i'm not sure you even bother

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ReverendDG
Member (Idle past 4132 days)
Posts: 1119
From: Topeka,kansas
Joined: 06-06-2005


Message 225 of 305 (372050)
12-24-2006 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Hyroglyphx
12-24-2006 3:18 PM


Re: yet another nonsense off topic non-response.
ou're a Christian who believes in the power of God... That's all they need to know in order to not like you and to derail your commentary.
thats BS and you know it, i like christians, i don't like overbaring, "i'm right no matter what!" type of people, that think they can win a debate by drowning the other person out with garbage
this is on both sides, but mostly i see on the fundie side, i find it insulting that you would assume this lie you posted is true of everyone, if anyone at all

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