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Theodoric
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Message 131 of 314 (649986)
01-26-2012 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by onifre
01-26-2012 11:29 AM


Re: I can't make this stuff up
Should this person get free healthcare?
Universal healthcare is not free healthcare.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 132 of 314 (649987)
01-26-2012 8:46 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by onifre
01-26-2012 4:09 PM


Re: Insurance IS Communism!!!
There are ZERO fast food places in the entire country of Scandinavia.
Oni has definitely been hacked or he is pulling huge mind game. The Oni I know and could have loved would never make the mistake of calling Scandinavia a country. The statement in a sense is true because Scandinavia is not a country.
Sweden
quote:
On the fast food side, pizza and hot dogs have been a ubiquitous part of Swedish culture since the 1960s.
Swedish cuisine - Wikipedia
There are McDonalds in all of the Scandinavian Countries.
Sweden 230
Norway 68
Denmark 83
Source
Oni would never be this sloppy.

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Theodoric
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Message 192 of 314 (650892)
02-03-2012 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by New Cat's Eye
02-03-2012 12:46 PM


Re: Parody Logic
I pay for my insurance out of my paycheck.
With universal healthcare you would pay for insurance through your taxes
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

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Message 201 of 314 (650905)
02-03-2012 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by New Cat's Eye
02-03-2012 1:09 PM


Re: Parody Logic
My point was that I pay for my healthcare...
As do people under universal healthcare.
Do you have a point or are you content in being pointless?
If you would stop letting your disdain for me from clouding your ability to reason you would see that my post in relation to the conversation makes my point quite self evident.
Strag evidently sees my point, why don't you.
Still trying to figure out why you claim you pay for your insurance and those that ahve universal healthcare do not.
Why does a payment to an insurance company count, but payment to the government to provide the same services not count?
Please explain the point of this reasoning.

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Theodoric
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Message 203 of 314 (650908)
02-03-2012 1:36 PM
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02-03-2012 1:30 PM


Re: Parody Logic
The whole logic of your argument in relation to this thread escapes me.
Your statement that you pay for your insurance through your paycheck evidently has no point in this discussion. As I originally asked what is the point of that comment. Obviously a few of us have misinterpreted your intentions and do not understand the point of that comment.
Do you feel like explaining the point you are trying to make or are you just going to throw bombs?
CS writes:
Do you have a point or are you content in being pointless?

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Message 210 of 314 (650928)
02-03-2012 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by New Cat's Eye
02-03-2012 2:15 PM


Re: Parody Logic
It just seems to me that we do a lot of medical research here at hospitals that also provide care. That's gotta drive up the cost.
Why? Please provide the reasons that its "gotta drive up costs". Also, where do you get you information that "a lot of medical research here at hospitals that also provide care". I am sure there is medical research done in hospitals, but a lot is also done in universities. Do you have any research or figures to back up your claims? I have serious concerns that your beliefs conflict with reality.

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Message 219 of 314 (650960)
02-03-2012 3:37 PM
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02-03-2012 3:04 PM


Re: Parody Logic
Yes here in the US also. Not sure where the whole higher cost idea comes from.
I am not sure what the hell CS's point is on this....
And if you ask for the point he lashes out with a juvenile response.

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Message 221 of 314 (652686)
02-15-2012 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by New Cat's Eye
02-15-2012 11:08 AM


Re: Parody Logic
Its not as simple as "they're socialized and cheeper ergo we should socialize too".
I know of no serious proposal for socialized medicine in the US.
Universal Healthcare does not equal socialized medicine. That being said I do not think there is a problem with socialized medicine.
If everyone is so against socialized things how about we privatize all the roads, police and fire protection and also the military. I mean socialism is evil isn't it?

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Message 227 of 314 (652851)
02-16-2012 2:30 PM
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02-16-2012 11:29 AM


Re: Parody Logic
Even if we were to socailize it, it still might cost a lot more than other countries and look unjustifiably expensive.
Again I need to ask who is proposing socializing? Do you understand that Universal healthcare is not the same as socialized medicine. You can keep ignoring me but I will keep pointing out your strawman.

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Theodoric
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Message 230 of 314 (652861)
02-16-2012 3:13 PM
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02-16-2012 2:42 PM


???
Then why do you keep bringing up Socialized medicine?

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Theodoric
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Message 235 of 314 (652912)
02-16-2012 6:36 PM
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02-16-2012 6:00 PM


Re: ???
This would qualify it as socialized medicine.
Socialized medicine would be if the government controls every level. This is much different from Universal healthcare. Eliminating the insurance companies does not make it socialized medicine. It makes it single payer healthcare. Still not socialized medicine. If the government owned and controlled the clinics and hospitals and healthcare providers were government employees then it would be socialized medicine.

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Message 243 of 314 (653225)
02-19-2012 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 242 by xongsmith
02-19-2012 11:58 AM


RE: taking care of your health
I agree. Oni has bought into right wing talking points and crap on this.
he should read of which he speaks.
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