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Author Topic:   Conventionalism is Dead - Society does NOT determine what is moral.
kuresu
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Message 31 of 113 (385735)
02-16-2007 11:09 PM
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02-16-2007 11:05 PM


you didn't answer the thrust of my post. you contradicted yourself. do you, or do you not, see this?

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sidelined
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Message 32 of 113 (385736)
02-16-2007 11:09 PM
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02-16-2007 10:54 PM


prophex

I choose to do nothing.

And if I were to choose to sacrifice my son in order to allow for the least number of deaths and to allow at least one to live is my decision moral and yours not since you thereby allow for 2 deaths to occur?
After you answer that then please explain the reason you use and how is it that we can arrive at 2 different decisions and still square it with the statement from the OP here.

We are born with the ability to know what is right

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Message 33 of 113 (385737)
02-16-2007 11:11 PM
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02-16-2007 11:00 PM


Re: You still have not answered the question.
"10 Great People" thread should be up soon. I have chosen Pete Seeger and to do it write I need more time. It is turning into an essay but "I'm just trying to say it right"-nas

To your questioning:
Morality is education. People that understand morality know what is right and what is wrong. I credit Socrates with that.

The "10 Great People" thread is too good for the internet Jar. I feel like this place is too small for it. I will post nonetheless. I had to stop writing for now because it is very long and I have to edit it before I go on because again, "I'm just trying to say it right".


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Message 34 of 113 (385738)
02-16-2007 11:15 PM
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02-16-2007 11:11 PM


Re: You still have not answered the question.
Morality is education. People that understand morality know what is right and what is wrong. I credit Socrates with that.

Another non answer.

Come on kids. You can do better.


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anglagard
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Message 35 of 113 (385739)
02-16-2007 11:17 PM
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02-16-2007 11:02 PM


Re: Please Elaborate
prophyx writes:

I attempt to understand morality through reason.

I am not GOD.

How can one understand morality when one can't define morality or provide examples of morality? Are you insinuating that only God can define morality or provide examples of morality? This hardly fits in with the idea that all people are born with an innate knowledge of morality.

Your new buddy Socrates asked what is moral. Is your obstinate refusal to answer the question supposed to be a mark of genius? Is the moral person the person who remains mute?

If you refuse to tell us what morality is, it makes it appear you do not know what you are talking about. Under the circumstances, how is anyone else supposed to divine your intentions?


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Message 36 of 113 (385740)
02-16-2007 11:17 PM
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02-16-2007 11:15 PM


Re: You still have not answered the question.
Excuse me,
it is not a non answer. it is straight out of the horses mouth.

Obviously I shouldn't have commented because you are intellectually frustrated at this point in time.

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Message 37 of 113 (385741)
02-16-2007 11:19 PM
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02-16-2007 8:19 PM


Why wouldn't it be just and correct?

This is the essence of morality.


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Message 38 of 113 (385743)
02-16-2007 11:21 PM
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02-16-2007 11:17 PM


Re: You still have not answered the question.
Excuse me,
it is not a non answer. it is straight out of the horses mouth.

You sure it was that end of the horse?

LOL

You defined something in terms that are also undefined. That means you provided no definition. All you said was bugglesdorpf is phenestrophie.


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jar
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Message 39 of 113 (385744)
02-16-2007 11:22 PM
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02-16-2007 11:19 PM


LOL

This is the essence of morality.

What?

Yet another non answer. Come on kids. You can do better. I hope.


Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 40 of 113 (385745)
02-16-2007 11:24 PM
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02-16-2007 11:21 PM


Re: You still have not answered the question.
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joshua221 
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Message 41 of 113 (385746)
02-16-2007 11:25 PM
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02-16-2007 11:07 PM


Re: Please Elaborate
if so, why bother understanding morality through reason? you don't have a say in what is moral if it's god-give. As you yourself claim, you're not god.

Good Question.

It is attainable. Otherwise life itself would be not worth bothering over.


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Message 42 of 113 (385747)
02-16-2007 11:26 PM
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02-16-2007 11:24 PM


Re: You still have not answered the question.
D
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Now come on. Surely you can do more than just spout stuff from daid fools.

I hope.

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Message 43 of 113 (385748)
02-16-2007 11:30 PM
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02-16-2007 11:17 PM


Re: Please Elaborate
all people are born with

the ability to learn

a knowledge of morality.

If you refuse to tell us what morality is, it makes it appear you do not know what you are talking about. Under the circumstances, how is anyone else supposed to divine your intentions?

I attempt to understand morality through reason.

I am not GOD.


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anglagard
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Message 44 of 113 (385749)
02-16-2007 11:31 PM
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02-16-2007 11:24 PM


Re: You still have not answered the question.
Its nice that you are taking a class in philosophy. In subsequent units will you be telling us that morality is God (Augustine), subjective (Spinoza), or the will to power (Nietzsche)?

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Message 45 of 113 (385750)
02-16-2007 11:32 PM
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02-16-2007 11:09 PM


And if I were to choose to sacrifice my son in order to allow for the least number of deaths and to allow at least one to live is my decision moral and yours not since you thereby allow for 2 deaths to occur?

Neither is moral.

I do nothing.


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