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Percy
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Message 46 of 154 (651077)
02-04-2012 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by purpledawn
02-04-2012 10:01 AM


Re: More Opinions From The Local Newspaper
purpledawn writes:
I did a search for macro-evolution to try and get an understanding of the issue. I found this post by Nuggin (Message 4) that gave a good idea of the difference between micro and macro. Are there any more good explanations of the difference? Any that might be of interest to a doctor?
If Nuggin's explanation works for you then you should probably stick with that, but I'll attempt a shorter explanation, one I've used before.
Microevolution is the small number of mutations in each generation that cause tiny indetectable changes. These mutations, filtered by natural selection, accumulate over many generations into the significant changes of macroevolution. When does microevolution become macroevolution? Who can say? It's very gradual change.
We humans often define criteria for classification. There's an old Hugh Grant movie called The Englishman Who Went Up a Hill But Came Down a Mountain. The English had defined a mountain as higher than 1000 feet, and the townspeople were anguished to discover that their local mountain fell slightly beneath that measure. By their efforts what had been a hill became a mountain, but in reality it's height changed very little.
We can do the same thing with micro and macroevolution, define some criteria. There are a variety of ways we could do this. For example, we could say that macroevolution is when one species becomes another species, but species have a variety of definitions, and I won't get into those details. It seems that the criteria for micro becoming macro always become very detailed.
And so I think the best definition of macroevolution is just a lot of accumulated microevolution.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 64 of 154 (651164)
02-05-2012 7:39 AM
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02-05-2012 3:40 AM


Re: More Opinions From The Local Newspaper
Hi Chuck,
If you'd like to discuss how small evolutionary changes accumulate over time there's actually a thread about it that is still open: When does microevolution turn into macroevolution?
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Grammar.

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Message 69 of 154 (651178)
02-05-2012 9:49 AM
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02-05-2012 7:59 AM


Re: Letter Progresses
Hi PD!
Not sure why you're replying to me. The only thing I'd comment on is something that already caught someone else's attention:
The Pilgrims came to this country to be able to practice their religion freely and not be forced into a specific belief system.
I like to say that the Pilgrims fled European religious persecution for the freedom America offered for acting upon their own religious prejudices.
In my own personal experience, though I think I write a damn good emotional appeal if I do say so myself, the writing I'm proudest of and that seems most effective sticks to the facts.
--Percy

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Message 79 of 154 (651265)
02-06-2012 7:32 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by purpledawn
02-05-2012 7:20 PM


Re: Minority
Well, gosh, if nitpicking is okay then how's this:
The purpose of science education is to teach science. Religious beliefs are not science and have no place in science class.
Of course, I didn't really rewrite it. I wrote what I would say. Feel free to ignore and discard.
--Percy

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Message 81 of 154 (651279)
02-06-2012 9:01 AM
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02-06-2012 8:31 AM


Re: Minority
purpledawn writes:
I guess I'm trying to impress upon my rep that core classes are not the place to present religious views. Schools doing this should be told to use elective classes for this exposure.
Well said, put it in: "Core classes are not the place to present religious views. Tell schools to use elective classes."
--Percy

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Message 118 of 154 (652463)
02-13-2012 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Artemis Entreri
02-13-2012 6:49 PM


Re: we know how it did not start.
Ya know, posting obvious misinterpretations, your preferred approach, is only effective if you can somehow have the last word. Otherwise it just forces people to post corrections and wastes a lot of time, not to mention disk space.
--Percy

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Message 131 of 154 (652551)
02-14-2012 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Artemis Entreri
02-14-2012 11:30 AM


Re: we know how it did not start.
Artemis Entreri writes:
Which is exactly what you just did with your worthless post.
Actually, it isn't, because Jar had to correct your obvious misinterpretations, so obviously my interpretation of your post as an obvious misinterpretation was correct.
You are part of the problem with posts like this, not the solution.
If you'd like to be part of the solution, then post a response to Jar that reflects an understanding of his rather clearly stated meaning
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Grammar.
Edited by Percy, : Typo.

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Message 152 of 154 (653670)
02-23-2012 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by Artemis Entreri
02-23-2012 11:12 AM


Re: we know how it did not start.
Hi Artemis Entreri,
If you're not going to contribute to the discussion maybe you could join one of the Peanut Gallery threads and make your wisecracks from the audience.
--Percy

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