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bluegenes
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Message 9 of 154 (650681)
02-01-2012 10:23 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by jar
02-01-2012 10:07 PM


Re: Fear the Kick arse
jar writes:
The only thing the rest of the world need fear is a US where the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of the government believe that Armageddon is inevitable and a good thing.
Just don't elect Buzsaw president, because he'd probably nuke the middle-east to fulfil one of his bloody prophecies.

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bluegenes
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Message 67 of 154 (651171)
02-05-2012 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by purpledawn
02-05-2012 7:59 AM


Pilgrim myth.
purpledawn writes:
The Pilgrims came to this country to be able to practice their religion freely and not be forced into a specific belief system.
Actually, the New England puritans were strong theocrats. They were extreme religious bigots, and their problem at the time in England was that they were failing to impose their views on everyone else.
After the migration of the New Englanders, the puritans did gain power in England, and started on their persecution of everyone who disagreed with them, including the Quakers. It is at this point that religious refugees like the Quakers start to arrive in large numbers in America.
It was the Puritan persecution and the hanging of the Quaker Boston martyrs that triggered the end of their strict theocracy in New England. They had lost power in England by this time, and the restoration monarchy forced the New Englanders to stop killing Quakers.
To bring this on topic, these "pilgrims" would thoroughly approve of creationism and only creationism being taught in schools. The modern protestant religious right are their natural heirs. The moderns complain of persecution in the same way that the early 17th century puritans did in England. It's because they are failing to impose their views on the rest of you, not because you're actually persecuting them.

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bluegenes
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Message 74 of 154 (651190)
02-05-2012 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by purpledawn
02-05-2012 10:37 AM


Re: Pilgrim myth.
purpledawn writes:
How about this instead?
In 1791, the Bill of Rights was ratified and the very first one protects our freedom of religion. If we allow science based on a religious belief to be taught in a core course instead of an elective course, we are forcing children to learn those beliefs and taking away their freedom to choose. Historically in our country, Christianity hasn't always been accommodating when other religions wish to freely practice their own religions or when people choose not to practice a religion. Jesus did not teach his disciples to force religion onto others or force others to listen to religious beliefs.
Much better, but I hope you don't mind if I nit-pick a bit. Firstly, there's no such thing as "science based on a religious belief", so something like "if we allow religious belief to be presented as science in a core course" might be better. The words "their own religions" could be wiped as well, because they're redundant.
But much improved by the absence of the bloody puritans, so I'll grade you 8 out of 10, young Dawn.*
*I'll have no implicit colour discrimination in this class.

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