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Percy

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02-03-2012 12:11 PM

Jefferson Bethke posted this video on YouTube a few weeks ago:

It received a great deal of attention, went viral, caused an uproar, and Bethke reversed his position. Today it became the topic of a NYT editorial: How to Fight The Man. Editorialist David Brooks states at one point:

David Brooks writes:

Bethke’s passionate polemic and subsequent retreat are symptomatic of a lot of the protest cries we hear these days. This seems to be a moment when many people in religion, economics and politics are disgusted by current institutions, but then they are vague about what sorts of institutions should replace them.

Brooks ignores the key question: why must religion be institutionalized?

Seems to me like Bethke caved under all the attention. I hope when the attention fades he realizes he's been hornswoggled by words and not deeds.

--Percy

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Message 6 of 20 (651044)
02-04-2012 7:27 AM

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02-04-2012 3:10 AM

Huntard writes:

He talks the talk, but he doesn't walk the walk. There is no reversal of position, his position was pro religion the entire time.

Where the title says he hates religion he means religion as represented by the established religious institutions. The reversal of position concerned religious institutions, not personal religious beliefs.

--Percy

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Message 8 of 20 (651052)
02-04-2012 8:26 AM

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02-04-2012 7:30 AM

I only listened to the video once, but it did seem like his word choices weren't always the best. My impression was that he was expressing a love of the religion of Jesus and a hate of what it had become in the hands of its largest institutions.

--Percy

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02-11-2012 8:30 AM

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02-11-2012 7:10 AM

Chuck77 writes:

I've seen a few video by this person. I didn't notice where he backtracked in his statements or beliefs. Do you have a video or something showing this?

Did you read the NYT article I linked in Message 1? The one I quoted that describes Bethke's "subsequent retreat"?

--Percy

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