Guido Arbia:
Wrong, once again.
If you're going to pronounce me 'wrong' you have an obligation to back it up. You didn't.
This has nothing to do with Christian apologetics whatsoever.
But it does. Christian apologetics is what you are doing.
If you don't think what you are doing here qualifies as 'Christian apologetics', explain why. Sweeping dismissal is not a reasoned argument.
Personally, I see no reason why the term should be controversial.
There are some moral and immoral christians as there are athiests, but most likely those christians that are immoral are not really christians. If they are, it is between them and God.
I understand this. I summarized that very argument and showed it to you. Here it is (from the post you seem to think you are contradicting):
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Moral Christians are Christians.
Immoral Christians are not really Christians.
So much for your rebuttal.
I added that another half exists to this argument as I have seen it presented by Christians on this thread:
Immoral atheists are atheists.
Moral atheists are not really atheists.
You have not stated this yourself, to my knowledge. But other Christians have, very clearly, and you have not disowned it. You have not even addressed it. You ignored this part of my post in your intended rebuttal.
I then noted that these definitions of 'true Christian' and 'true atheist' in combination guarantee the conclusion:
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Ergo, Christians are more moral than atheists.
I then asked you:
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Why should anyone find this argument convincing?
To prove me 'wrong' you have to do more than pronounce my summary wrong, quote it incompletely, and then agree 100% with the part you quote.
You have to show me that my summary of the argument is invalid. You already agree (without noticing it, apparently) with the part you actually discussed. That leaves the parts you didn't.
You can prove the summary 'wrong' now in either of two ways:
1. Tell me the second part, about atheists, does not represent your own belief, then state your belief on the matter.
2. Show why the terms 'Christian' and 'atheist' as defined do not guarantee the conclusion.
Either way, I would still appreciate your answer to my question:
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Why should anyone find this argument convincing?
'Wrong' is not a valid answer to the question.
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Edited by Archer Opterix, : Detail.
Archer
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