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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
How about we just stop feeding this troll. He is only posting threads to coffee house because he knows all he has is crap and not worthy of non-coffee house forums. Wrong, as usual. No. LoL. He's initiating them here because the most active of all three or four of the Biblical Christian Creationists are banned from the science threads. This thread would be even more lop-sided, were it not posted in a non-science forum . Edited by Buzsaw, : Drop the "re" as suggested. It does not gramatically apply to this subtitle. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." 
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Modulous writes: If you mean 'the universe' then there are many possibilities, some more hopeful than others. But if I was to propose say, a Brane World, as the origins for the universe you'd probably then ask 'But where did the Brane World come from?' And so we find ourselves either at an infinite regress where every answer is simply responded to with 'but where did answer n come from?' or we must accept there is some brute fact or facts where there is no prior facts to explain or justify them. Theists find themselves in exactly the same position when they bring this up. But that's not the bottom line at all, for a start 'A creator did it' is no theory at all - it explains nothing whatsoever. Furthermore, where did the Creator come from? If you insist that this is one of the brute facts mentioned above, then you should be able to see things from an atheist point of view: Given the lack of evidence supporting one hypothetical brute fact over another, the atheist decides to not believe in any of them. Why commit? The atheist does not feel motivated to plug the gaps of knowledge by making leaps of faith to one proposed answer or another. Your problem is that here at EvC if one is to participate in science, one must commit to your not empirical theories acceptable only by atheists, agnostics and evolutionist ceationists.
Modulous writes: It may well be true that belief in God or gods is silly, ignorant, or foolish...but what do we have left? Certainly not chance. It may be a brute fact that entropy increases, and as an inevitable consequence of that brute fact universes are created (a sort of Lawrence Krauss type position), or any other number of hypothetical brute facts one can dare to imagine. But the thing is, an atheist may well have chosen to believe one or the other, they may just as easily have taken an agnostic approach: Withholding belief in any proposition. So if you were to ask them if they believe the God proposition, they'd say no - therefore atheist. But likewise if you asked them if they thought the atheistic idea above was true, they'd also answer 'no' - therefore perhaps being Akraussians). On the whole, my experience is that plenty of atheists have their favourite notions about the nature of reality and its origins, but most will openly admit that even if they believe one idea or grouping of ideas, it is speculative. The theist's belief is much more adamant, and often comes along with various random bits of culturally acquired dogma. The argument 'it must have come from somewhere - so why not a god?' does not get you to the theistic position, which almost always makes many further assertions. At best it gets you to deism, but really when closely examined it should lead to atheism. The answer to the question is: I don't know, and neither do you. Or less snappily: I don't believe things without evidence; there is no evidence supporting any claimant definitively (and some claimants are completely evidence free), therefore I don't believe in any proposition. The mere fact that this happens to include 'God' means I am often called an atheist. Mmm, But the EvC science fora implies that you do have evidence and none other do. Science alleges that Energy is eternal, having no beginning or ending according to 1LoT. Only an eternal operative source of energy explains it. It is further supported by observable phenomena relative to the existence of the supernatural as has been shown. OTH, there is no physical scientific evidence of either the alleged singularity zero event emerging into the alleged expansion of alleged time/space. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
frako writes: Chuck77 writes: 10. You vigorously deny the existence of God, yet you frequently blame Him for all the "evils" in the world, all the natural disasters, and everything else under the sun that is wrong in modern society. Actually most of us just point out there is no evidence for the existence of god, just like there is no evidence for the existence of the pink unicorn. So no reason to believe in either. That word, "just" is the just of your argument. It's an incessantly repeated blind assertion that there is no evidence. The Exodus threads are good examples, evolutionists all in chorus, flanked by Admin, claiming than none whatsoever has been produced. None of your marine scientists have an interest in falsifying the evidence so abundantly cited via observable photography supported by the numerous cited corroborative evidences by me.
7. You can't seem to understand the primary differences between fundamental Muslims and fundamental Christians (hint: strap-on TNT. Plus - Muhammad says, kill innocent people and yourself if you love me. Jesus Christ said, I’ll die for you because I love you). Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it. (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB) You're cherry picking here, my friend. Neither the prince of peace or his apostles advocated violence against anyone, while on earth, very unlike Mohammed and his apostles. What Jesus was saying was that his gospel would cause those who were to be persecuted for their faith would be suffer persecution and be killed, just as he and his apostles were. Millions were killed an persecuted and still are in Muslim and communist regimes. That's the sword which Jesus's gospel brought.
frako writes: Chuck77 writes: 6. You say the Bible is full of fairy-tales and fables, yet you believe all life forms including plants, trees, insects, birds, fish, reptiles and mammals evolved from one species into another - As if evolution isn't the biggest fairytale of them all. Well evolution has basis in fact, science, evidence.... the bible has basis in myth, stories, fairytales .... Another blind assertion touted by the pack who deny all creationist evidence cited.
frako writes: [Chuck77]4. You accuse fundamental Christians of being intolerant, judgmental and hateful, while you foam at the mouth calling them freaking lunatics, ignorant, weak-minded, stupid fundies, and hateful bigots. Well because they/you are: freaking lunatics, ignorant, weak-minded, stupid fundies, and hateful bigots. But i dont wish that they would burn in a lake of fire for ever and ever and ever and ever ...... Two more unsupported assertions. There are more hateful bigots on your side of the isle than the creationist side. The terminology of many of you describing creationists, such as yours above depict that hateful bigotry.
frako writes: Chuck77 writes: 2. While all evidence, logic and reasoning point to a Creator and absolute truth, you prefer to hide behind relativism and a theory of evolution which does not, in fact, describe the creation of the universe at all, or why concepts of good and evil or morality exist. Um i never seen this evidence can you show me? Too much of your alleged evidence is based on abstract manipulative quantum and relativistic arguments. As an artist can paint an abstract modern art painting into just about any form of image that he desires, so with abstract means of claiming evidence. On the contrary, again, you and your relativistic forum majority simply waive off the physically observable cited evidences, such as fulfilled prophecies, archeology and complexity that is supportive of the existence of the Biblical supernatural, etc. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
NoNukes writes: Mazzy?Well Buz is ten times the debater you've shown yourself to be here. Thanks, NoNukes. Thanks much for making Chuck77's previous point (which I cheered) that effective creationists are banned and silenced too often from debating Biblical creationism, here on this site. Thus, the scarcity of effective creationists. I happen to be the dogmantic determned and thick skinned one who cares enough about you people to disuade you from the darkness which you are groping about in, a bum who found bread, telling fellow bums where I found it, as an old preacher once said. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Percy writes: But then it all went wrong. I don't know what happened. I miss the old rational and analytical Chuck and wish he would come back to us. Chuck, your top 10 list was childish, idiotic, and said almost nothing that was actually true. It begins by claiming that atheists blame God for the ills of the world. Are you daft? Percy, you also make Chuck's point. You begin your message, ascribing to Chuck's stuff which supports your positions. Then when Chuck goes about Chucks valid points supporting our positions , rather than taking note of his constructive criticism, you personally attack him, decrying his reasons as childish and idiotic . Bottom line: Chuck, your job in PAF is not to balance out the moderation, but to re-iterate my lop-sided application of it, in favor of the evolutionist constituency. ABE: That two members cheered Chuck's childish and ideotic OP message, implies that two members share Chuck's alleged childishness and ideocy. Edited by Buzsaw, : As noted BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
crashfrog writes: Chuck77 writes: Why can't Creationists express themselves here without being shot down? Really? Is this what you want, Buz? To be able to use Percy's website to say whatever you like with no opportunity given for anyone else to respond? How would that be a "debate"? I don't follow, I guess. Can you explain it to me? Shouldn't the truth be able to withstand all assault? I didn't say it, Crashfrog. Chuck said it. Whatever did he say in this short quote that would forbid a response? Nobody's arguing for exemption from forum guidelines either, frog. You're totally off the wall in this post. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Percy writes: Here's my attempt at a list that is just as chock full of errors as Chuck's. I tried to make sure each item contained serious flaws or errors of fact or logic. I take it from this post that you consider Jon, Chuck and I all as bloomed childish idiots, being we all ascribed to most of Chucks points. This prevailing attitude will surely stave off effective creationists from your lopsided cite. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Percy writes: About Chuck's list, do you yourself even "ascribe" (I believe you really mean "subscribe") to all of Chuck's points? How about the first one: Perhaps you noticed that I nominated Frako to POM though I didn't agree to a thing in his message. It was the way he articulated and formulated the message to set the tone of the debate. Your question misses the point. Time and again, evolutionists make mistakes or fail to tell it as it is. You all correct one another in a kindly manner quite often. You don't go at attacking one another's character by labeling them as childish idiots. Being the owner, you should treat all alike and be an example. Personal attacks are against the forum guidelines and what our resident trolls often do. No, I don't subscribe to everything in the message. I know, for example, that primordial soup comes before evolution, etc. Likely Chuck knows that as well. Many often speak in generalities. I know also, as Chuck does that it is a prerequisite to evolution. Chuck is not at all childish and certainly not an idiot.You owe him a public apology. You should have either said nothing or kindly corrected him. My cheer applied to the message at large. Cheers & jeers are not the about nitpicking. Jon had no business cheering with a unless he meant it. Imo, he was covering his ass due to all of the flack by the wink etc. This is the kind of treatment Biblical creationists receive from you and yours all too often. You who observe all of the complexity and order of the world and the Universe at large think it could happen from chaotic disorder into all of the complexity, life and order which we observe.
Nevertheless I don't regard you people, nor do I demean you in demeaning terms like childish or idiotic. I regard you intelligent educated folk as very deceived and as subscribing to what we would never expect to observe in real life. The orderly barn left to itself eventually leaks and falls. The pile of wood does not, in any amount of time assemble itself into stately orderly barns, etc. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
dwise1 writes: In cumulative selection, when the initial randomly assembled trial fails, multiple copies are made of it which are very similar to, yet slightly different from, the original. Hi Dwise. Regarding cumulative selection, Dawkins said the above. Unless I missed something, he did not explain what would randomly assemble multiple copies similar to, yet slightly different from the original.BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Panda writes: quote: Are you not "similar to, yet slightly different from" your parents and do you not know how they 'assembled' you? For the most part, your example of multiple copies being assembled is not random, but due to a vast amount of information within the genes and DNA of the original being copied. I understand Dawkins's argument to apply to the very beginning stages of evolution, when a scant amount of information existed within the organism as well as advanced modern observable stages. Environmental and ecological conditions would likely factor in relative to survival of early stages of evolution. Survival would be no problem in your example. Survival of originals in the beginning stages, long enough to produce similar copies, would have been highly unlikely. In your example, reproduction of originals is not a problem whatsoever. We can physically observe similar copies now. The beginning theorized stages never have been physically observed. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Percy writes: About personal attacks, there was none. Chuck didn't write the opening post, he cut-n-pasted it. My comment was about his cut-n-paste. Specifically, I said: Percy in Message 54 writes:Chuck, your top 10 list was childish, idiotic, and said almost nothing that was actually true. All this is saying is that Chuck posted a cut-n-paste whose content was childish and idiotic. In that Chuck, et al, agreed by cheers that it would be something depicting our list, we would be implied as childish idiots, believing falsehoods.
Percy writes: Buzsaw writes:No, I don't subscribe to everything in the message. So you presumably understand that it was block-headed to claim that atheists blame God for anything. Let's go on to the next item: No. I understand, after going on nine years, debating atheists, et al, that they often do blame God for some things.
Percy writes:
quote: Is this what you were referring to when you mentioned the primordial soup? If so, then you realize this is a false, too. On to the next: I would say that the primordial soup was a prerequisite to the ToE. No premodial soup; no evolution.
Percy writes:
quote: Obviously false. Agreed as false.
Percy writes: quote: Does this make sense even to you? It absolutely does. Evolutionists, atheists and agnostics, for the most part, apologize for Islam and submit negative posts about Christians, the Bible and Christianity.
Percy writes: quote: Except for the gratuitous opinion offered at the end, this one is true. I would cheer the whole thing.
Percy writes:
quote: Presumably you know, after all your time here, that no such calculation has ever been made by scientists. I believe that the odds would be scientifically, highly unlikely; what we observe in the Universe, all progressing from disorder to order, naturally, over the millenia.
Percy writes: 4.
quote: I think we can both agree that there's a lot of hateful talk on both sides, so let's call this one true. I would say a lot on the evolutionist side and relatively little from creationists, especially Biblical creationists.
Percy writes: quote: This one is so confused that it defies analysis. I won't fault you if it sounds correct to you. I understand it and agree to it fully. Your side picks and chooses whatever scientific concepts fit the ticket at hand in the debates, ignoring the implications of thermodynamic laws, arguing abstract methodologies such as relativity quantum and string theory. OTOH, your side rigidly imposes letter of the law scientific laws upon creationists.
Percy writes: quote: After all your time here I assume you understand that evolution of not a theory of the creation of the universe. I see that statement as are some that all of us post on occasion, essentially ok but technically flawed.
Percy writes: quote: This one is accurate in an ironic kind of way. I would wholeheartedly cheer it.
Percy writes: Adding this all up we have only 3 statements out of 10 that are correct. The numerous incorrect statements make the list a target for criticism. I see this, your last statement as among the incorrect ones. Thanks for waiting patiently for my response. --PercyBUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Taq writes: If I explain to a child that Santa Claus does not exist because it is simply impossible for Santa to visit all of those houses as it is described in myth could the child then turn around and say that I have to believe in Santa Claus to make such a determination? You are like the child. You think that we must first believe in God in order to point to the inconsistencies between reality and theology. This obviously isn't so. No. We must not first believe anything. We must first determine that there is sufficient physically observable evidence to believe something.
Taq writes: quote: It isn't, and never has been. You might as well argue that water doesn't form from hydrogen and water because the oxygen and hydrogen ultimately require the Big Bang as a prerequisite which I am guessing is something that you don't accept. So at least be consistent and argue that water does not exist since you reject their prerequisite as well. Say what? Water from hydrogen and water??. If you mean from hydrogen and oxygen, the proper combination of these elements is indeed a prerequisite to make water. The BB is not the only prerequisite to any existing thing. It's the first prerequisite, in your thinking. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Percy writes: Obviously atheists believe in God. Every time Buzsaw posts you can hear them muttering, "Jesus Christ and God almighty, I can't believe he just said that!" Alright. Alright. I admit to you, Trixie and all that my statement was not well thought out before posting. It is Jesus, Christians and Christianity and the Bible that atheists blame for bad things happening. Just as it is Mohamed, his violent Koran, his apostles who wrote the Haddith and Sunnas, and Muslims who I blame for most of the terrorist violence in the world today. It is not their god, Allah, perse who I blame. LoL. One of us few Biblical creationists here at EvC has 10 adversarial thumb twiddling critiques ever anxious to air any little miss-statement we make. Evolutionists have practically no one to scrutinize their posts so as to air any of the many times they don't get it quite right in their posts. The only active forum I am allowed to post in is The Coffee House. Others are banned from the science threads, including most of the important Bible related threads in there for whatever reason. Evolutionists can say about anything without getting called on it. Chuck and I don't agree on everything, but certainly agree on this point. ABE: Every time Buz posts.......Percy haven't I told you a thousand times not to exaggerate?  Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Theodoric writes: Really? Thanks for informing me about what I think and believe. Do you realize that a sizeable number of atheists don't think that jesus even existed? It sure would be silly for me to blame a mythical creature for bad things. Atheists most certainly do not believe there was any properties of deity in Jesus. Most likely, for the most part, they believe that he was a real man who lived in his time or are agnostics as to whether he did. Likely a minority of them categorically deny that he ever lived. I believe Josephus and other ancient historians allude some to to him. There are other evidences such as archeological discoveries, etc which are supportive to his having existed. It appears that we now have your opinion on it, Theodoric, that you allege he never existed if I read you correctly. Perhaps Dr Adequate, Cavediver or other self avowed EvC atheists will weigh in on this. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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