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Rrhain
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Message 16 of 306 (263652)
11-28-2005 1:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by robinrohan
11-27-2005 12:16 AM


That isn't the definition of nihilism
Nihilism is a denial. That's what the word literally means, from the Latin "nihil" meaning "nothing." Nihilism is not the mere recognition that morality and the concepts of "good" and "bad" are arbitrary and socially constructed. Nihilism insists that "good" and "bad" and "morality" do not exist at all. You have constructed a morality, but nihilism requires that such a construction is an illusion that does not really exist.
Nihilism insists that existence, itself, does not exist.
And on top of that, nihilism demands that any structural organization be destroyed. Everything is nothingness and you cannot have nothing if there is something.
Now, this doesn't mean that advocates of nihilistic philosophies are violent or physically destructive. The denial of self and the recognition of the illusion of reality is part of the Buddhist theology. To achieve Nirvana and true enlightenment, one must also do away with the want of wanting to achieve Nirvana and true enlightenment. If you have a desire to physically react to the illusory world around you, then you are falling for the illusion. The only way out is not without but within.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Rrhain
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Message 150 of 306 (265408)
12-04-2005 4:37 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by Buzsaw
12-04-2005 12:57 AM


buzsaw writes:
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My understanding is that nihilists have no code.
Then you don't know what nihilism is. Please go back and read my post about what nihilism is.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Rrhain
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Message 151 of 306 (265409)
12-04-2005 4:45 AM
Reply to: Message 149 by Buzsaw
12-04-2005 1:06 AM


Christianity Promotes Fear
buzsaw writes:
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The Biblical god, Jehovah, punishes evil and when he does it's very effective for change and erradication of evil when reformation fails.
If it were effective, why is there still evil? If one buys into the Christian claims, god did an awful lot of smiting and yet nothing has changed and no evil was eradicated.
Contrast this to the theology of some other religions: You stick around, beating yourself up over and over until you finally figure out that the only reason you're getting beaten up is because you are doing it to yourself. Once you stop trying to force things, you get to move on and become one with the universe.
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Were it not so, the world would've perished milleniums ago like evidently what what was about to happen the first time before the flood.
There was no flood, though.
And you're treading dangerously close to Pascal's Wager. Really, threatening people with damnation and death if they don't straighten up and fly right? That's supposed to make the world a better place? What is that if not the instillation of fear and resentment?
By your logic, it isn't nihilism that promotes fear (as demonstrated above). It's Christianity. Nihilism can easily lead one to conclude that the way to enlightenment is through the abandonment of fear whereas Christianity uses fear as a tool to oppress the individual.
The nihilist finds peace through mastery of himself from within. Christianity imposes peace through threat of violence and terror from without.
This is the way to win over "no code" nihilists how?

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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