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Author Topic:   An ID hypothesis: Front-loaded Evolution
Tangle
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Message 105 of 216 (653686)
02-23-2012 3:34 PM


It seems to me that 'front loaded' is the wrong terms. What is actually meant is pre-programmed or predetermined.

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Message 144 of 216 (653775)
02-24-2012 5:33 AM
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02-24-2012 5:24 AM


Re: General Response to Objections
Now I'm properly confused; I thought the point was that the dice are loaded?

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Message 149 of 216 (653781)
02-24-2012 5:59 AM
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02-24-2012 5:42 AM


Re: General Response to Objections
So your dice doesn't always roll a six but only 7 time out of 10? Doesn't your certainty only depend then on how many times the dice is rolled?

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Message 154 of 216 (653788)
02-24-2012 6:48 AM
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02-24-2012 6:06 AM


Re: General Response to Objections
Genomicus writes:

Eh, would you mind elaborating?

Well a dice can be loaded to always throw a 6 or to be only slightly more likely to throw a 6 than pure chance - and all points in between.

If the chimp ancestor plays with the former dice, he'll evolve every time, if he plays with the latter he may or may not on any single roll.

But let him roll it 1,000 times and he's almost as certain of evolving as using the fully loaded dice.

So a front loaded single roll of the dice may be chance (depending on how heavily loaded it is) but a loaded dice rolled many times is a certainty.

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Message 176 of 216 (654135)
02-27-2012 4:13 AM
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02-26-2012 5:51 PM


Re: General Response to Objections
You ducked my point. Fully loaded dice with throw a 6 every time. But any unfair loading of the dice will ensure certainty of outcome (more 6s than any other number) if rolled often enough.

How many times are you allowing your front loaded genome(s) to be rolled? Assuming billions of years, that would be multiple billions of rolls.


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Message 179 of 216 (654140)
02-27-2012 6:22 AM
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02-27-2012 4:17 AM


Re: General Response to Objections
Genomicus writes:

I question the relevance of the dice analogy. Take a deck of cards,

Ok, forget the dice, use your card deck analogy

load it with aces, such that, say, 30% of the deck consists of aces. You'll be far more likely to get a hand of four aces than if you had not tampered with the deck of cards. That's front-loading, in a nutshell.

Why are you assuming that the deck is only cut once? If there's a 30% chance of getting an ace in the first cut, there's a near certainty of getting an ace in 10 attempts. Evolution cuts the deck billions of times......


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