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Author Topic:   Where are all the apes leading up to humans?
anglagard
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Message 16 of 67 (653316)
02-19-2012 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by CrytoGod
02-19-2012 10:13 PM


PRATTS and Quote Mining
Welcome to EvC CrytoGod.

If you do not realize yet, you will soon find out that the long term members here are well experienced in the use of PRATTs (points refuted a thousand times) and quote mining by creationists.

Your sources for this are known by another moniker as "bearing false witness."

For example:

"The entire hominid collection known today would barely cover a billiard table, ... the collection is so tantalizingly incomplete, and the specimens themselves often so fragmented and inconclusive, that more can be said about what is missing than about what is present. ...but ever since Darwin's work inspired the notion that fossils linking modern man and extinct ancestor would provide the most convincing proof of human evolution, preconceptions have led evidence by the nose in the study of fossil man."

John Reader (photo-journalist and author of "Missing Links"), "Whatever happened to Zinjanthropus?" New Scientist, 26 March 1981, p. 802

This is covered by Talk Origins under Index to Creationist Claims as point CC030.

quote:
Claim CC030:
All known fossils of ancient humans would fit on a billiard table (or in a coffin).
Source:
Morris, Henry M., 1974. Scientific Creationism, Green Forest, AR: Master Books, 202.

Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, 1985. Life--How Did It Get Here? Brooklyn, NY, 86.
Response:

That may have been true at one time, but there are thousands of hominid fossils now. Lubenow (1992) found that there were fossils from almost 4,000 hominid individuals catalogued as of 1976. As of 1999, there were fossils of about 150 Homo erectus individuals, 90 Australopithecus robustus, 150 Australopithecus afarensis, 500 Neanderthals, and more (Handprint 1999). Foley (2004) lists some of the more prominent fossils.

It takes only a handful of fossils to show that hominid forms have changed over time.


That lie is going to take an awfully big billiard table under this gravitational field and law of repose.

Additionally quoting Gould as if he was against the concept of evolution is clear out-of-context mining as pretty much everyone here knows he was making the case for punctuated equilibrium, not creationism.

Well, it seems to me you have one of two choices, either stay and learn from this site or other reliable sources or remain forever deceitful about and ignorant of the massive evidence, it's up to you.

In the meantime, you won't be fooling virtually anyone here as to your sources, been there, done that.


Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
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Message 17 of 67 (653318)
02-20-2012 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by CrytoGod
02-19-2012 10:39 PM


Huge Gap?
CTG writes:

Actually, there is a huge gap between humans and its supposed closest ape relative in terms of biology, anatomy, physiology etc.

Please feel free to elaborate. I personally see no purported "huge gap." Seems to me great apes have the same number of bones in the same places, the same organs performing the same functions - indeed even the same vestiges performing the same little to no function, similar social structures compared to non-civilized humans, crap they even walk upright more than virtually any other mammal.

The DNA is even extremely similar. Sure the chromosome count is 48 instead of 46 but that chromosome 2 in humans is clearly a fusion of two chromosomes existing in the great apes. That chromosome even has a suppressed stop code in the middle. Read Ridley's Genome: The Autobiography of a Species In 23 Chapters for further details.

Please back up your claims with evidence, that's the way it works here.

Edited by anglagard, : clarification as to specifics

Edited by anglagard, : Add chromosome evidence.


Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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