Evolution is not Abiogenesis

Darwin himself formulated the origin of life and the evolution of diversity as separate questions. Will that do? And not long before that, from Aristotle until Pasteur, even religious folk thought life arose spontaneously from inanimate matter.So? In the early sixties, we thought we'd have George Jetson's rocket car and robotic maid. We don't--but so what? Evidence for this bald assertion? And further bald assertions won't spontaneously generate evidence. Again, Darwin. You've attempted a list, but it still boils down to aliens or gods, and, ultimately, aliens beg the question through regression.If ID is necessary to explain the presence of life on earth, then it is also necessary to explain the presence of life in the universe. So we arrive, more tortuously but no less surely, at unevidenced religious claims.So the thought experiment can most honestly be answered thus: neither the study of ID nor that of the ToE would be changed by considering your collapsing laundry list of origins.The evidence for evolution would remain formidable, and the claims of Intelligent Design would remain both evidence-free and clearly religious in nature.

Thanks. I needed that.Since you appreciate honesty, perhaps you could demonstrate some.Could you explain how your two options--aliens and gods--do not boil down to gods?Where did those aliens originate? Were they designed?If so, who designed them? If their designers were designed, who designed them?If they were not designed, then what? Aliens evolved--but we didn't? Aliens are eternal?You are trapped in a god box, and you can't get out. We'll just wheel your carton into the courtroom and watch you try.

I won't quote most of your response, since you merely dodge the questions I asked. I'm already familiar with how creationists do that. I especially enjoy the maneuver of, okay, answer my question--oh dear, run away!So I'll simply note that you cannot refute my logical demonstration that all forms of ID are furtive creationism, and that it continues to amuse me to see how, in your view, God depends on sneaky lies.But I suppose I should give you a back-handed compliment for this soupcon of honesty: Creationism's courtroom hopes depend on a religiously biased judge or jury.We know, Marc, we know.

Every day I check the mail for my ACLU check.Boy are they in arrears.