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Evolution is not Abiogenesis

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Message 15 of 251 (653595)
02-23-2012 12:31 AM 		Reply to: Message 14 by Portillo
02-23-2012 12:05 AM

Question
Let me ask you a question.
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Why do creationists insist that abiogenesis is a part of evolution?
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Message 18 of 251 (653598)
02-23-2012 12:53 AM 		Reply to: Message 17 by Portillo
02-23-2012 12:41 AM

Re: Question
I would consider that abiogenesis.
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When those new life forms began to adapt to their environment and change through mutation and natural selection, I would consider that evolution.
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Message 42 of 251 (653638)
02-23-2012 10:28 AM 		Reply to: Message 24 by Chuck77
02-23-2012 4:10 AM

Belief
For the record I do not believe evolution happened. I believe the literal interpretation of Genesis and believe abiogenesis and evolution should not be seperated.
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So apparently you will have to deny, misinterpret, or ignore any evidence that conflicts with that belief?
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That's not something that one should be proud of.
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Belief gets in the way of learning.
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Robert A Heinlein, Time Enough for Love, 1973
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Message 101 of 251 (653998)
02-25-2012 10:10 PM 		Reply to: Message 100 by Portillo
02-25-2012 9:52 PM

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So let me get this straight. When this forum discusses evolution, it is primarily talking about biological evolution. However, evolution can be used in other contexts aswell.
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Is that right?
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When scientists define terms they do so to increase precision and clarity and to reduce ambiguity.
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Why do creationists feel the need to redefine terms that are already well-defined?
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