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Portillo
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Message 14 of 251 (653594)
02-23-2012 12:05 AM


Is prebiotic evolution evolution?

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 17 of 251 (653597)
02-23-2012 12:41 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Coyote
02-23-2012 12:31 AM


Re: Question
If lifeless self-replicating chemicals coalesced together to form a living organism. That is a spectacular example of evolution.

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Portillo
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Message 19 of 251 (653600)
02-23-2012 2:34 AM


Taq writes:
As to abiogenesis and evolution specifically, the theory of evolution would not change one iota if we found that God magically poofed an RNA replicator into being which then evolved into the biodiversity we see today.
Tangle writes:
1. God did it
3. Aliens planted it
Does that mean that an intelligent agent is a valid alternative theory for the origin of life?
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Portillo
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Message 83 of 251 (653872)
02-25-2012 3:56 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by dwise1
02-24-2012 2:27 AM


Re: Message from Buzsaw
quote:
For us, evolution is biological evolution only.
There are other forms of evolution such as sociobiology, evolutionary psychology, stellar evolution, quantum evolution, galaxy evolution, evolutionary epistemology, evolutionary ethics, evolutionary logic, Darwinism, cultural evolution, social evolution, postbiological evolution. Evolution is change!
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Portillo
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Message 85 of 251 (653878)
02-25-2012 6:30 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by Trixie
02-25-2012 6:23 AM


Try to debate without using swear words.
Yes, this thread is about biological evolution. The post mentioned that when talking about evolution, it ONLY means biological evolution. Not just in this thread but any context, which isnt true.

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Portillo
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Message 94 of 251 (653973)
02-25-2012 5:55 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Trixie
02-25-2012 7:12 AM


Re:
Now, using the above, show me where dwise1 says that evolution ONLY means biological evolution in ANY context. As far as I can see he says that "FOR US", meaning those who accept biological evolution, evolution means biological evolution. Given the forum this is stated on and the subject under discussion, that statement is true.
Right here.
quote:
Other creationists apply an entirely different definition to "evolution" than we normals do. For us, evolution is biological evolution only.
It doesnt say for the purpose of this forum or for the purpose of this thread. It says the definition of "evolution". This forum does not just discuss biological evolution as this sub-forum shows.
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Portillo
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Message 96 of 251 (653980)
02-25-2012 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Percy
02-25-2012 9:12 AM


Re: Try to debate without using swear words.
quote:
This is sort of off-topic, but why are you doing this? To the rest of us this looks like a purposeful attempt to confuse and obfuscate. It looks like, having perhaps decided that the battle in this thread can't be won, that you've decided to destroy any focus and clarity the thread might have.
Im not trying to confuse anyone. A term like evolution has many meanings, even in science. These meanings can change very rapidly. Evolution occurs when a baby is born, evolution occurs when dogs breed, evolution occurs when a farmer sprays crop with pesticide, evolution occurs when theres been change over time, the beginning of the universe is evolution.
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Portillo
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Message 100 of 251 (653997)
02-25-2012 9:52 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by Percy
02-25-2012 9:49 PM


Re:
So let me get this straight. When this forum discusses evolution, it is primarily talking about biological evolution. However, evolution can be used in other contexts aswell.
Is that right?

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Message 105 of 251 (654009)
02-26-2012 3:50 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by Warthog
02-26-2012 3:11 AM


Re:
quote:
Why do you feel the need to confound a perfectly rational discussion with diversions like this?
I wasnt trying to divert anything, I was just discussing. You guys and girls are the ones that get your panties in a twist.

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Portillo
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Message 118 of 251 (654124)
02-27-2012 1:34 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by Tangle
02-26-2012 4:15 AM


Re:
quote:
Ok, so it's the ToE that we're talking about.
Would you like to answer how it would be changed if God or anything else creted the first life?
God has nothing to do with evolution. Ask the authorities on evolution, Dobzhansky, Simpson, Huxley, Mayr, Gould, Futuyma, Sagan, Dawkins, Provine etc. Evolution is a purposeless, unguided, undirected, natural process.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJM8EdYZpls

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Message 239 of 251 (657702)
03-30-2012 4:02 AM


What do you guys and girls think of this quote by Theodosius Dobzhansky?
"Evolution comprises all the stages of the development of the universe: the cosmic, biological, and human or cultural developments. Attempts to restrict the concept of evolution to biology are gratuitous. Life is a product of the evolution of inorganic matter, and man is a product of the evolution of life."
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Portillo
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Message 244 of 251 (658049)
04-02-2012 3:25 AM


Thanks for your replies everyone. I just need your expert opinion on one more quote by Julian Huxley.
quote:
"The concept of evolution was soon extended into other than biological fields. Inorganic subjects such as the life-histories of stars and the formation of the chemical elements on the one hand, and on the other hand subjects like linguistics, social anthropology, comparative law and religion, began to be studied for an evolutionary angle, until today we are enabled to see evolution as a universal and all pervading process.
Furthermore, with the adoption of the evolutionary approach in non-biological fields, from cosmology to human affairs, we are beginning to realize that biological evolution is only one aspect of evolution in general. Evolution in the extended sense can be defined as a directional and essentially irreversible process occurring in time, which in its course gives rise to an increase of variety and an increasingly high level of organization, in its products. Our present knowledge indeed forces us to the view that the whole of reality is evolution - a single process of self-transformation."
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