Evolution is not Abiogenesis

Is prebiotic evolution evolution?

If lifeless self-replicating chemicals coalesced together to form a living organism. That is a spectacular example of evolution.

Does that mean that an intelligent agent is a valid alternative theory for the origin of life?Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.

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For us, evolution is biological evolution only.

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There are other forms of evolution such as sociobiology, evolutionary psychology, stellar evolution, quantum evolution, galaxy evolution, evolutionary epistemology, evolutionary ethics, evolutionary logic, Darwinism, cultural evolution, social evolution, postbiological evolution. Evolution is change! Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.

Yes, this thread is about biological evolution. The post mentioned that when talking about evolution, it ONLY means biological evolution. Not just in this thread but any context, which isnt true.

Right here.

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Other creationists apply an entirely different definition to "evolution" than we normals do. For us, evolution is biological evolution only.

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It doesnt say for the purpose of this forum or for the purpose of this thread. It says the definition of "evolution". This forum does not just discuss biological evolution as this sub-forum shows. Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.

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This is sort of off-topic, but why are you doing this? To the rest of us this looks like a purposeful attempt to confuse and obfuscate. It looks like, having perhaps decided that the battle in this thread can't be won, that you've decided to destroy any focus and clarity the thread might have.

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Im not trying to confuse anyone. A term like evolution has many meanings, even in science. These meanings can change very rapidly. Evolution occurs when a baby is born, evolution occurs when dogs breed, evolution occurs when a farmer sprays crop with pesticide, evolution occurs when theres been change over time, the beginning of the universe is evolution. Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.

So let me get this straight. When this forum discusses evolution, it is primarily talking about biological evolution. However, evolution can be used in other contexts aswell.Is that right?

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Why do you feel the need to confound a perfectly rational discussion with diversions like this?

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I wasnt trying to divert anything, I was just discussing. You guys and girls are the ones that get your panties in a twist.

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Ok, so it's the ToE that we're talking about.

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Would you like to answer how it would be changed if God or anything else creted the first life?

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God has nothing to do with evolution. Ask the authorities on evolution, Dobzhansky, Simpson, Huxley, Mayr, Gould, Futuyma, Sagan, Dawkins, Provine etc. Evolution is a purposeless, unguided, undirected, natural process.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJM8EdYZpls

What do you guys and girls think of this quote by Theodosius Dobzhansky?"Evolution comprises all the stages of the development of the universe: the cosmic, biological, and human or cultural developments. Attempts to restrict the concept of evolution to biology are gratuitous. Life is a product of the evolution of inorganic matter, and man is a product of the evolution of life."Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.

Thanks for your replies everyone. I just need your expert opinion on one more quote by Julian Huxley.

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"The concept of evolution was soon extended into other than biological fields. Inorganic subjects such as the life-histories of stars and the formation of the chemical elements on the one hand, and on the other hand subjects like linguistics, social anthropology, comparative law and religion, began to be studied for an evolutionary angle, until today we are enabled to see evolution as a universal and all pervading process.

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Furthermore, with the adoption of the evolutionary approach in non-biological fields, from cosmology to human affairs, we are beginning to realize that biological evolution is only one aspect of evolution in general. Evolution in the extended sense can be defined as a directional and essentially irreversible process occurring in time, which in its course gives rise to an increase of variety and an increasingly high level of organization, in its products. Our present knowledge indeed forces us to the view that the whole of reality is evolution - a single process of self-transformation."

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