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Evolution is not Abiogenesis

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Chuck77
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Message 24 of 251 (653607)
02-23-2012 4:10 AM 		Reply to: Message 21 by Trixie
02-23-2012 3:02 AM

Re: Message from Buzsaw
Buzsaw message to Trixie writes:
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I have never ever alleged that abiogenesis is evolution. My position is emphatically that it MUST happen before evolution can begin. The beginning of life by whatever means is the biopoesis. Once this biopoesis happens evolution can allegedly begin.
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-Bold mine
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For sake of argument and discussion I can agree with Buz concerning this scenerio.
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For the record I do not believe evolution happened. I believe the literal interpretation of Genesis and believe abiogenesis and evolution should not be seperated.
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Message 26 of 251 (653609)
02-23-2012 4:32 AM 		Reply to: Message 25 by Tangle
02-23-2012 4:22 AM

Re: Message from Buzsaw
I don't think they SHOULD be different. I think ORIGINS should be incorporated with the theory. It's not because there wouldn't be one if it was.
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My point is regardless of evolution being true or not it avoids one of the most important questions. How did it all start? What evolved from what? Could it have evolved or was it already created like the Bible says?
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Origins is important. It shouldn't be swept under the rug and labled another theory. It is because it hampers the TOE.
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Chuck77
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Message 28 of 251 (653611)
02-23-2012 4:46 AM 		Reply to: Message 27 by Tangle
02-23-2012 4:41 AM

Re: Message from Buzsaw
Tangle writes:
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Whether they should or shouldn't be different is utterly irrelevant - surely you can see that?
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They ARE different; that's all that matters.
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Oh, ok. Sorry to have disturbed you guys. Cheerio.
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Message 29 of 251 (653612)
02-23-2012 4:49 AM 		Reply to: Message 27 by Tangle
02-23-2012 4:41 AM

Re: Message from Buzsaw
Tangle writes:
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I thought it might be useful to start a thread on how scientists explain the difference between the Theory of Evolution, the various ideas about how life started here on earth and why religious believers find it so hard to grasp what scientists think is a simple and obvious point.
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I fell for what you said in your OP, my bad.
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Are we just gonna go with your last comment? That "they ARE different, that's all that matters?"
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It's a far cry form you original proposal.
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Message 67 of 251 (653746)
02-24-2012 3:53 AM

Edited.
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Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.
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Message 82 of 251 (653870)
02-25-2012 2:02 AM 		Reply to: Message 34 by Warthog
02-23-2012 7:10 AM

Re: Message from Buzsaw
Sorry Warthhog. I forgot to mention this post of yours in my previous general reply.
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