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Message 3 of 307 (655262)
03-08-2012 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by foreveryoung
03-08-2012 7:52 PM


foreveryoung writes:
It is obvious that I am quite despised here.
Despised - no.
People disagree with some of what you post, particularly when what you post is factually wrong. But there is nothing personal in disagreeing with what you post. As far as I can tell, nobody here despises you.

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Message 13 of 307 (655327)
03-09-2012 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Artemis Entreri
03-09-2012 12:09 PM


good riddance
If you had not ended that message with "good riddance", I would have given your post a cheer. I agree with most of what you said, except that last line.

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Message 30 of 307 (655406)
03-10-2012 2:15 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by foreveryoung
03-10-2012 1:58 AM


In Message 25 foreveryoung writes:
You have to convince me they are facts before I will believe them.
foreveryoung writes:
When you ask for evidence for my claims, I am not sure what I could possibly do to satisfy your demand. I don't think anything I could come up with would satisfy your criteria for evidence. What am I supposed to do then? Am I supposed to just shutup?
Here, we see the crux of the problem. You say that we have to convince you before you will believe what we take to be facts. But you want us to believe what you take to be facts.
Doesn't the same requirement exist in both direction? You have to convince us before we can believe what you take to be facts. But now you protest that we want evidence. How is this convincing going to work without evidence?

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Message 42 of 307 (655436)
03-10-2012 11:38 AM
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03-10-2012 2:32 AM


foreveryoung writes:
Sure, but I haven't stated that my opinions are facts; you have.
Okay, fair enough.
You are going to run into problems if you present opinions in a science thread. People are likely to assume that you are making claims of fact.
My suggestion would be that you express such opinions only in non-science threads (either religious forums or the Coffee House). Where appropriate, ask questions and request clarifications in the science threads. How you word your posts will influence whether people take you to be making factual claims, challenging their facts (which amounts to you making factual claims), or just engaging in informal discussion and self-education.
Always keep in mind that this is a site where there is a history of intense debating over creation vs. evolution. It is likely that what you post will be taken as a debate issue, unless you word your post in a way that makes it clear that it is something else.

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Message 63 of 307 (655482)
03-10-2012 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Granny Magda
03-10-2012 4:25 PM


Granny Magda writes:
In point of fact, the scientific method exists for the very purpose of eliminating the need to take matters on faith.
I don't agree with that part.
Science exists because we (or some of us) have a burning curiosity that only science can hope to resolve.

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Message 153 of 307 (655748)
03-13-2012 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 150 by Granny Magda
03-13-2012 8:36 AM


Re: Fool me once
Granny Magda writes:
Specifically, he was arguing that if we are willing to doubt the veracity of dogma in Genesis, then there is no reason not to place the Gospels under the same levels of soubt.
What would be wrong with having doubt about the Gospels?
If you don't have doubt about the Gospels, then your religion is not based on faith - it is based on stupidity or naivety.

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nwr
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Message 257 of 307 (659368)
04-15-2012 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 255 by jar
04-15-2012 3:17 PM


Re: posted at the request of foreveryoung.
This may appear to be a response to a post by jar, but it is really a response to foreveryoung who was being quoted.
foreveryoung writes:
Yes, I have been full of rage, and downright hatred toward most of you.
I know it can be hard, but you will be more effective if you can control that rage.
foreveryoung writes:
I absolutely despise your philosophy of life ...
There are probably many quite different philosophies of life among those debating you. That many of us disagree with some of your views does not imply that we agree with one another on other things.
foreveryoung writes:
Constant ridicule and piling on.
I think I have suggested this before. Just slow down. You don't have to reply to every post that disagrees with you. If several people disagree on one point, then you can just make a single reply. And if you slow down your posting rates, that will also slow down the rate at which people respond to you.
Yes, I know it is easier to say that than to do it. But at least give it a try.
foreveryoung writes:
If I could deal with only one person at a time, I probably would not explode as I do.
You might want to consider The Great Debate, where threads have a single pair of debaters.

Jesus was a liberal hippie

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Message 279 of 307 (659408)
04-15-2012 8:04 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by foreveryoung
04-15-2012 7:50 PM


foreveryoung writes:
When i don't get rid of my rage in some way or at least let people know how I feel and what is bothering me, it only means bigger problems down the road.
Think about the lurkers -- the many people who read this forum but rarely or never post here.
You are arguing to persuade the lurkers. You aren't likely to persuade the regular participants here, and you should already know that. So your aim should be to leave a clear record behind, for the benefit of the lurkers.
When you lose your cool, you also lose many of the lurkers.

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Message 283 of 307 (659414)
04-15-2012 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by foreveryoung
04-15-2012 7:54 PM


Re: posted at the request of foreveryoung.
foreveryoung writes:
I just know that if I spoke to someone like many of you do here, I know it would mean that I hated them, and it would be mainly for who they are.
If you ever watch CSPAN, you will see congress-critters saying nasty things about one another. After that, they go out to dinner and have a good time together.
What they do in Congress is about the issues, not about the people. They are performing for the public.
It's the same with Internet debates. What you say in an Internet debate is a performance. It isn't about you, it is about the positions you are arguing.
If you met some of the participants outside the debate environment, you would probably get along fine with many of them.

Jesus was a liberal hippie

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Message 302 of 307 (659441)
04-15-2012 11:14 PM


My "summary"
I wish foreveryoung the best. I hope he stays around. But I also hope that he learns to better manage his post and to pace himself a little better.
Defending your ideas in debate can be a good experience. You learn the weak points of your argument. You perhaps learn how to better present your position so that others won't misunderstand it. However, piling on can be frustrating, and pacing oneself is one way of dealing with it.

Jesus was a liberal hippie

  
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