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Author Topic:   Debunking Setterfields Speed of Light Model
Dr Adequate
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Message 5 of 41 (655267)
03-08-2012 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by foreveryoung
03-08-2012 11:42 AM


I have a better idea than Setterfield. Instead of just imagining that some physical processes have at some point been speeded up, why not suppose that all of them have been speeded up?
This solves the young-earthers' speed-of-light problem and all their other problems. All they have to do is imagine that 13 billion years' worth of events have been compressed into a period of time lasting only 6000 years, and then everyone's happy except maybe Karl Popper.

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Message 11 of 41 (655338)
03-09-2012 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Khy
03-09-2012 4:07 PM


That would kind of eliminate his 6th point in his summary and with that his only argument for the real physical impossiblity of Setterfield's ideas.
I keep feeling I'm missing something.. but I can't find what...
I sha'n't get into the physics, but how can his "sixth point" be his "only argument"? I read the paper, and he seems to have lots of arguments.
As someone said: "I keep feeling I'm missing something.. but I can't find what..."

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Message 25 of 41 (655463)
03-10-2012 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Khy
03-09-2012 8:12 PM


Mass is also a factor in the definition of energy (he used the ergon which is defined as 1 g·cm2/s2)
This has lost something in translation, I fear.
Ergon
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ergon may refer to:
Ergon, an alien chicken from TV's Doctor Who.
Ergon, a concept from Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics that is most often translated as function, task, or work.
Ergon, Inc., a privately held petroleum company based in Jackson, Mississippi.
Ergon Energy, an electricity company owned by the Government of Queensland.
You must mean erg.

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Message 26 of 41 (655465)
03-10-2012 3:49 PM
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03-10-2012 12:57 PM


Re: LaTeX
1. A meter is defined as: "the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum in 1 299,792,458 of a second."
2. The second is defined as: "the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom."
If we want to retain any frame of reference we are forced to say that in Setterfield's universe the meter is defined as it is today, by today's lightspeed. In the same way we have to retain the present day definition of time.
No, that's exactly what we can't do. The measured quantities can change, but how can a unit change? What we could say is that if we use the speed of light as our standard for a meter, then a meter as measured by this technique is getting shorter, thus throwing off our efforts to measure distances; but if we let the units vary too (which is nonsensical) then we would have to say that a meter as measured by that standard always stayed the same length, namely a meter ... and we would also, now I come to think of it, have to say that the speed of light was constant, since it is defined in meters per second, no matter how much it actually changed.

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