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Author Topic:   Superiority of the 'Protestant Canon'?
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Message 5 of 154 (655875)
03-14-2012 10:31 AM


The Protestant Canon
So far lots of the discussion has been about issues of translation, but the topic is about the Protestant Canon.

The major Canons are the Western Protestant Canon and the Western Roman Catholic Canon and the Orthodox Canon. Other Canons are the two Ethiopian Canons and the Samaritan Canon and of course the Jewish Canon.

The question is why is the "Protestant Canon" superior to any of the others?


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Message 7 of 154 (655886)
03-14-2012 11:16 AM
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Re: The Protestant Canon
But it is not the question asked.

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Message 9 of 154 (663742)
05-26-2012 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Jzyehoshua
05-26-2012 4:42 AM


Please present one of the original autographs.
Sorry but until you present one of the original autographs you have nothing to support that claim.

In addition, even if true, it is irrelevant to the topic.

Why is the Protestant Canon superior to the Ethiopian Short Canon or the Ethiopian Long Canon or the Roman Catholic Canon?


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Message 11 of 154 (663785)
05-26-2012 6:27 PM
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05-26-2012 6:14 PM


Re: Please present one of the original autographs.
You made a claim that those copies we have match the original autographs.

Unless you can present the original autographs you are simply shoveling shit and expecting folk to think it's gold.

Again, unless you can present an actual Canon to compare to the Protestant Canon you have nothing.

Copies of individual books a Canon do not make. A Canon is a list saying "These are the books that will be included".

Where's the list?


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Message 13 of 154 (663813)
05-26-2012 8:37 PM
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05-26-2012 8:22 PM


Re: Please present one of the original autographs.
Oh Good Grief, Josh baby?

And you expect anyone to take you seriously?

You made a claim that the known manuscripts match the autographs.

Now unless you can present those autographs so we can test you claim it has as much value as claiming that Darth Vader really was Luke's father.

It really is that simple.

It is also still irrelevant to the issue which is to show that the Protestant Canon is superior to any of the other Canons.

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Message 21 of 154 (664053)
05-28-2012 8:34 PM
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05-28-2012 8:26 PM


Topic!!!!!!!!!
And not one word of all that is realted to the Topic which is "Superiority of the 'Protestant Canon'?"

Do you have anything to offer on the topic?


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Message 28 of 154 (664073)
05-28-2012 9:39 PM
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05-28-2012 9:28 PM


Topic!!!!!!
Topic.

The Dead Sea Scrolls have nothing to do with a Canon.

Why is the Protestant Canon superior to the Roman Catholic Canon, the Samaritan Orthodox Canon, the Ethiopian Long Canon, the Ethiopian Short Canon?


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Message 30 of 154 (664082)
05-28-2012 9:57 PM
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05-28-2012 9:51 PM


Re: Your position on the question?
Are you posting as admin or just a participant?

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Message 33 of 154 (664144)
05-29-2012 11:05 AM
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05-29-2012 1:54 AM


What is a Canon?
But a collection of fragments of scrolls found in a variety of caves is NOT a Canon.

A Canon is a list compiled by a recognized Committee of Canon of what books should be included in a Bible.

That is what is NOT found among the Dead Sea Scrolls.

There have been many such Committees of Canon and each one has drawn up a different list.

In fact, the only books that are common to ALL of the various Canons are the first five books of the Old Testament.

There are several possible way to determine which Canon is superior.

One could be commonality. The Superior Canon is the one that contains ONLY Books found in all Canons. By that criteria the Samaritan Orthodox Canon is Superior to all others and everything except the first five books of the Old Testament is non-canonical.

Another could be inclusiveness. The Canon that includes the most books is Superior and so the Ethiopian Long Canon with its 80 plus books is superior.

The criteria could be based on acceptance by a major chapter of Club Christian and there the Roman Catholic Canon is far superior.

It could be based on documented age and there the superior Canon would be the one drawn up by the Nicean Committee of Canon.

Or it could be the most recent Canon and thus the Mormon Canon which is open and continually growing is far superior.

So what is the justification argument that might show the Protestant Canon as superior?

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Message 46 of 154 (671293)
08-24-2012 8:59 AM
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08-24-2012 1:14 AM


Re: What is a Canon?
In addition to the issues pointed out in the two replies above, why must a true Canon contain the New Testament?

The Law and the Prophets was good enough for Jesus, must man add more?

Second, what the hell is the "True" New Testament?

Where's 1 Enoch?

Who decides what is the "True" New Testament?

By Orthodox Church do you mean the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, the Greek Orthodox Church, the Russian Orthodox Church, the Samaritan Orthodox Church or the Roman Catholic Church?


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Message 51 of 154 (671320)
08-24-2012 10:54 AM
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08-24-2012 10:12 AM


Re: What is a Canon?
Nonsense.

I don't dispute the legitimacy of any Canon.

Each Canon is legitimate since each Canon was created by an authorized Committee of Canon.

The issue is why the protestant canon is superior.

Why must a true Canon contain the New Testament?

Second, what the hell is the "True" New Testament?

Where's 1 Enoch?

Who decides what is the "True" New Testament?

By Orthodox Church do you mean the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, the Greek Orthodox Church, the Russian Orthodox Church, the Samaritan Orthodox Church or the Roman Catholic Church?


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Message 55 of 154 (671339)
08-24-2012 12:27 PM
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08-24-2012 11:58 AM


Re: Jude *quotes* Enoch
It's not all Protestants.

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Message 58 of 154 (671355)
08-24-2012 1:29 PM
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08-24-2012 1:22 PM


Re: What is a Canon?
There is the Samaritan Orthodox Canon that contains only those books that had been canonized at the time Jesus lived. They consider everything else as extra-canonical.

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Message 61 of 154 (671563)
08-27-2012 2:51 PM
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08-27-2012 2:06 PM


Re: Jude *quotes* Enoch
you know the sort of crazy that isn't-allowed-in-Europe-Christians.

Then that is Europe's loss.

But it is also unrelated to the question under discussion it seems.


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Message 70 of 154 (673094)
09-13-2012 5:57 PM
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09-13-2012 5:46 PM


Re: Translating exercise
Welcome home. Pull up a stump and set a spell.

While that's true it also is irrelevant to the topic since what is questioned here is NOT the contents of the stories but rather the list of what should be included.


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