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Author Topic:   Superiority of the 'Protestant Canon'?
Davidjay 
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Message 77 of 154 (811677)
06-10-2017 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jon
03-11-2012 4:16 PM


Protestant Canon made in 1850's
In Whether to leave this forum or not, foreveryoung and jar have been going back and forth regarding the various biblical canons. In Message 108, foreveryoung stated:

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foreveryoung in Message 108 in Whether to leave this forum or not:
There is a good reason to believe the current protestant cannon is supernaturally inspired.

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This thread will be for foreveryoung and others who share his view on the superiority of the 'protestant canon' (or any canon, for that matter) to defend their position and present evidence in its favor. I'd like to see the discussion follow along these lines:

First, those arguing for superiority of one of the canons will have to define that canon. This will mean listing all of the books that make up the canon as well as the versions of those books where significant variations exist.

Second, these folk will have to define and defend the criteria behind labeling one canon as superior or better than another. What is it about a canon that would make it superior? For example, foreveryoung seems to think that supernatural inspiration is a criterion for a superior canon.

Finally, they will have to show that these criteria are all met in the canon they hold as superior.

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The Protestant Canon was agreed upon by church people in the mid 1800's, and is acceptable, even though it threw out the more spiritual and great books of the Apocypha...namely Tobit and Esdras.... and a few others.

They elevated Pauls writings to sacrosanct when in fact Pauls writings were never meant as word for word prophecy or RED LETTER, ..THus saith the Lord prophecy.

But His writings help church leaders keep their flocks in control and obedient to them, and paying their tithes for the church leaders homes and frills etc etc...

Pauls protestant writings keep the congregations dumb and submissive and believeing in group faith and confined mainly to working for money rather than obeying the Lord.

The Lord judges people according to what they hear from HIM and do or not do, rather than how many books they read, and judges them according to their works or lack of good loving works.


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Davidjay 
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Message 79 of 154 (811711)
06-10-2017 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Phat
06-10-2017 2:09 PM


Re: Protestant Canon made in 1850's
Hmmm... that might be interesting......

Because I was leary of mentioning Paul, because he definitely was out of tune, and not en-cathedral or prophetic when speaking and writing.... sometimes he was accurate but most of the time he did market the church system so that it would be acceptable for the masses rather than for the obedient and the few that would follow all the way....

OK, I shall stay on a little longer to blast the damnable church system that Paul created. Jesus created the true church, Paul created the mixed multitudes and the compromising backsliding disobedient false church with their wolves and con men for leaders.

Interesting

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Davidjay 
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Message 80 of 154 (811715)
06-10-2017 11:51 PM
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06-10-2017 11:35 PM


Re: Sexuality and the false church system of Paul
Sadly I and we are banned from talking about sexuality because that is one of the main ways the false damnable church systems rules over women, and hence over men.... to make them whimps and under their control.

Paul despised women and was afraid of women, so put down women, and allowed them in, only if they followed certain nonsexual rules..... and kept quiet and submissive and obedient to their husbands...etc..

Jesus set the captives free, Paul tried to enslave them and make up new rules for them that Jesus never stated and never wanted. Paul was into self righetosuness and laws, whereas Jesus created love and wanted love and liberty to rule us.

And from then on the false church system has been fighting the Lords freed people ever onward...and persecuting them just as their fsathers killed and hounded all the prophets before the Lord and before the early true Christian church.

But sadly we are not allowed to discuss sexuality..... as the bounds for this topic are as strict as strict can get.... and new topics can not be proposed.... or allowed...

Or can they ?


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Davidjay 
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Message 81 of 154 (811732)
06-11-2017 9:56 AM
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06-10-2017 11:51 PM


Re: Quincey writes, Follow Jesus not Paul
OK, lets start the confirmations against Paul, so as to help READERS discern between Jesus words and Pauls contradictory words.

For this is one reason why Christians get confused and dont study their bibles and hence live out their bibles. Its contradictory when Pauls words are deemedequal to Jesus words.
Jesus said His literal words were scriptures and that His prophets words were scripture..... (Prophets state THUS SAITH THE LORD, Paul did not write as a prophet, Paul did not say THUS SAITH THE LORD)

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Here we go, until I get banned ..... Im negotiating now a six month probation before I return to see if things have changed.. IE ecv will be on a six month probation until I return ......

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Christ's commands are absolute and need to be understood and carried out. His ultimate command is that we love each other.

Paul's and any other writer in the Bible or elsewhere words are opinions based on their personal point of view. Although many
like Paul wanted us to believe that they hold the same authority that Christ did.

Christ is the expert and His command is that we love one another. If you, me, Paul or anyone else departs from this command we
delay and interfere with the process that we who confess and believe in Him are going through.

I love Paul, I just don't think he is Christ. And I know he wasn't an eye witness to a resurrected Christ. Like the rest of us he is
full of ideas and concepts about a lot of different issues.

It concerns me that Paul's words are thought to be equivelent to Christ's or the actual apostles. I think he was the first of many
who have claimed some special revelation from Christ that only they can teach us. A relationship with Christ should force us to
examine ourselves and seek His mercy at the same time as we give His mercy and forgiveness to others. Each of us has an
individual responsibility to know and be known by Christ.

For some reason followers of Paulistic teachings are more concerned with the behavior of others than they are with their own
behavior. Jesus command is as simple as it is impossible. Love Him with our whole being and love our neighbor as ourselves.
Even if our neighbor is someone we think of as an ememy, a homosexual, a liberal, an adulterer. The obstacle to loving others is
the same obstacle it has always been, ourselves.

Jesus cured this dilemma Paul exacerbates it.

Unlike Christ, Paul's words are subject to debate. Unfortunately Paul is not here for us to debate him. I would like to debate
James and his views on slavery and of asking a woman to remain in an abusive relationship. Instead of being able to debate these
men we debate amongst ourselves.

This debate has destroyed the essence of Christ's command and has made the command to love a lesser issue. This to me is
paramount to rejection of Christ. While the world longs for love we promote and argue about foolishness, that destroys our
relationship with Christ and others.

Written by Quincy (not me David Jay Jordan)
He can be written to at .... email

Mine will follow later...

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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