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Author Topic:   Superiority of the 'Protestant Canon'?
New Cat's Eye
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Message 50 of 154 (671318)
08-24-2012 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by foreveryoung
08-24-2012 10:08 AM

Jude *quotes* Enoch
Jude is not referencing the book of Enoch.
Um, Jude directly quotes Enoch.
I don't know which version of the Bible you'd have me quote from, I just use and their default is the NIV. So that's what your getting until you specify otherwise:
Jude 1
14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones
15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Jude says that Enoch said it and there's even quotation marks. Here's the line from Enoch:
Enoch 1
9. And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of {His}holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy {all} the ungodly:
And to convict all flesh
Of all the works {of their ungodliness} which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners {have spoken} against Him.
Jude is referencing a common theme throughout the Old Testament and is more likely referencing Deuteronomy 33:2
Here's that one:
Deuteronomy 33
1 This is the blessing that Moses the man of God pronounced on the Israelites before his death.
2 He said:
The Lord came from Sinai
and dawned over them from Seir;
he shone forth from Mount Paran.
He came with {a} myriads of holy ones
from the south, from his mountain slopes.
So yeah, its talking about a lot of holy ones, but the line from Jude lines up exactly as a quote from Enoch.
The book of Enoch was not around when Jude was written.
Not according to wiki:
It is generally accepted by scholars that the author of the Epistle of Jude was familiar with the Book of Enoch and was influenced by it in thought and diction.
the protestant canon
Which version of the Bible are referring to as this? There's this chart on wiki that explains the differences, but if I go to pick a "version" of the Bible from a dropdown list on biblegateway, which one is the "protestant" one?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 54 of 154 (671337)
08-24-2012 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Artemis Entreri
08-24-2012 11:58 AM

Re: Jude *quotes* Enoch
Protestants never seem to stop amazing me with everything they think they know, compared to the reality of the situation. I eagerly await an answer to yet another "house of cards" scenario like this one.
Its crazy how convoluted and complicated the protestant explanations for obvious errors and falsehoods can get. The mental gauntlet they have to get through is amazing. And it turns the faith in to this complicated puzzle that has to have all these disarranged parts put into a specific and precise arrangement and then: 'Viola! Look everything is so perfect!'
Evangelical Protestant Christianty is God's Rubik's Cube.
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 67 of 154 (671582)
08-27-2012 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Artemis Entreri
08-27-2012 4:23 PM

Re: Jude *quotes* Enoch
So like a fool I respond to the "juvenile semantics guy" (I should know better by now), and explain which protestants I think fit into this category that I and Catholic Scientist where amused by, and I said that Lutherans and Anglicans are not in this group. Not that they are not protestants (because they are the original ones), but that they are not sort I was referring to.
For what its worth; when I think "protestants", I don't really include the Lutherans in that imagery either (they're more like Catholic-Lights). I did go back and edit my post to qualify it as Evangelical Protestants, which I think the Lutherans could be discounted from, because when I reread it as just protestants, it did seem a little overreaching and this is the internet... where grammer and semantic nazis reign supreme.
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