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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 43 of 166 (656500)
03-19-2012 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by RAZD
03-17-2012 10:38 AM


How about a 1 bedroom? why does one worker need two bedrooms? if you are suggesting it is for a family then, you should take into account that there will be two people working, and if both are working at minimum wage then you need to divide the hours on your graph by two, and then well use can see that two people working at the minimum wage can get by in most if not all the states.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 48 of 166 (656599)
03-20-2012 2:15 PM
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03-19-2012 5:01 PM


you are assuming a bunch of things as well?
Single parents aren't a family?
nope.
A spouse that is unable to work, for whatever reason, suddenly makes them not a family?
if you are unable to work you should qualify for disablilty, and housing assistance, and therefore are not part of this dilemma.
Assuming both get 40 hours, they may be able to afford a two-bedroom apartment. Of course, that assumes they don't eat food, don't buy any toys or clothes for themselves or their kid(s), have free transportation to everywhere they need to go, don't need electricity, water, heat, or a phone...
if you are working for minimum wage and have children you are probably retarded, and probably a bad irresponsible parent.
GW has affordable clothing.
there is always assistance link card, etc.
talk about assumptions, HA!
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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 152 of 166 (657354)
03-27-2012 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Perdition
03-20-2012 2:22 PM


Why not?
I just don't think it is. more like a baby and a babysmomma
Assuming you can't work due to a disability. What if there just aren't any jobs in your area? What if the only jobs that will hire you will pay you less than it would cost to put your child in daycare?
great questions and more reasons why this simple data is far off. I got by when i was on minimum wage.
But even if they are, you're willing to punish the children because their parents are "retarded" or "irresponsible"?
aint my kids. i aint punishing them. their parents should have considered the consequences of their actions before punishing their own kids.
But not free. If all your money pays rent and utilities, there's no such thing as "affordable" clothing.
LOL please. you are just making shit up. you can afford it.
but what if but what if but what if.....
I have no idea what this is
sry im originally a FIB and thats what it is called one state to the south of you: IDHS: Illinois Link Card
Yeah, I see you making a lot of them in this post alone.
ditto

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 154 of 166 (658233)
04-03-2012 12:39 PM
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03-27-2012 5:07 PM


Good for you. How many children did you have to raise? Was it easy?
no kids cause i aint retarded.
was what easy, the job, no it was hard work.
And this is what it comes down to. "It ain't my problem." Which flies in the face of all of the facts. For one thing, we live in a society, which implies that people will sacrifice for the others in the society.
please keep your socialism and your socialist ideas in Wisconsin.
So, it affects you and all of us, even if you can't quite dredge up the compassion for other human beings.
awwwww.......I almost shed a tear for your bleeding heart, to bad I dont have one
as I am a
and we are heartless.
Every example I've used is one that I've either witnessed first hand, or are obvious outcomes of the current set-up. All you've done is hand wave them away and claim that there's no one who can't afford to buy clothes.
WARNING strawman alert

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 156 of 166 (658241)
04-03-2012 12:55 PM
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04-03-2012 12:48 PM


You'll forgive me if I don't. And if you don't, I don't really care.
No I really won't, Socialists are the reason this country is becoming a pile of shit.
I don't see a strawman. You said all of my examples were false and made up. I said they weren't because I've seen them actually occur. That's what we call "evidence."
I am not going to get into semantics like you want to. I said you were making up what ifs. it wasn't until i called you out that you said they came from experience (something that is not quantifiable, though you can call it "evidence" if it makes you feel better.).
Well, I actually consider myself a liberal libertarian, too. I think people should be free to do as they wish, so long as they don't hurt others by doing it. I probably just have a different definition of hurt than you would.
yeah i'm not forcing people who have kids to work minimum wage, nor am i asking people on minimum wage to have kids, just as "they" shouldn't force (hurt) me to pay for their ineptitude, and lack of thinking or responsibility.
I mean them no harm when I say FUCK them.
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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 159 of 166 (658392)
04-04-2012 3:00 PM
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04-03-2012 1:07 PM


But since we live in a free country, and I have freedom fo speech, I can advocate for what I believe will make this country better just as much as you do.
no argument there, just as I'm free to call it out.
You know, you pay more for them now than you would if the minimum wage were raised. Right now, your taxes pay for welfare, food stamps, WIC, etc. If the minimum wage were enough that fewer people needed those programs, your taxes could be lowered.
And you seem to be stuck on assuming the order of things. People can have kids, then lose their good paying jobs and be forced to work at minimum wage.
The only way your argument makes any sense is if you argue that no one should have kids.
I enjoy the double standards of your..."altruism". lol
And I mean you no harm when I say FUCK YOU.
I don't take any from it we should say fuck you more often around here.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 160 of 166 (658395)
04-04-2012 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by Taq
04-04-2012 11:42 AM


Yeah, those free socialist roads we drive on and those free socialist elementary schools are the scurge of society.
I went to private school and I live on a private road that I maintain.
any more brain busters?
Don't even get me started on those socialist police and fire departments. Our country would be so much better if we had a 75% literacy rate where only 80% of people could afford to use transportation while houses burn down because the privately owned fire department did not received their payment from those addresses.
fuck the police, I have lived in an unincorporated area for most of my life (one with no fire department),
do you know how many times my house caught fire? (zero)
what if what if what if. is this perdition's 2nd account?
what does literacy have to do with any of this?
A days work should earn a livable wage. This is what should happen in a moral society.
it does

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 162 of 166 (658407)
04-04-2012 3:32 PM
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04-04-2012 3:18 PM


Do you drive everywhere on private roads,
no but private roads is a possibility, I commute to work on one almost everyday. (Dulles Greenway).
and do you only do business with people who went to private schools?
I don't know, I don't ask people where they went to school.
Do you seriously think society would be better without police and fire departments?
without police? definitely. without fire departments, I am unsure i have almost zero relations or experience with them except when I see them begging for money at stoplights.
Do you think we would be better of with a 75% literacy rate?
why do you refuse to answer my question on how literacy has anything to do with this?
That is not what the data is showing.
depends what you are looking at. if its the simple graph at the beginning of this, then you are making a lot of assumptions.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 164 of 166 (658577)
04-06-2012 1:26 PM
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04-05-2012 11:33 AM


The freeway system was a huge boon to this country. It opened up free transportation allowing for cheap transport of goods across the country on reliable roads. We wouldn't be where we are right now without it. Socialist roads are a big plus.
Are you suggesting there wasn't free transportation before the freeway?
yeah and real great for the environment too
The freeway system was a huge boon to this country. It opened up free transportation allowing for cheap transport of goods across the country on reliable roads. We wouldn't be where we are right now without it. Socialist roads are a big plus.
depends are where you are.
So you would have no problem with murders going unsolved and uninvestigated? Are you so shortsighted that you see no positive effect of law enforcement?
As if the police only existed for the purpose of investigating murders? Are you so brainwashed that you see the positive effect of law enforcement?
Then you are very lucky. A house I was living in developed a short in one of the attic fans which started a fire in the attic. Without the fire department I really doubt I could have opened up the roof and put out the fire before it engulfed the entire house.
so who put out the fire you are the FD? that was confusing. it sounds like you put out the fire, but need the FD to open the roof!?!
huh?
In my estimation, that would be the literacy rate if socialist schools went away. Between the civil war and the beginning of the public school system the literacy rate was very low amongst minorities. The public school system was founded on the idea that education should be available to all in a democracy. I guess you are against this socialist principle.
what are you talking about? public schools have been around since before the civil war.
There is a difference between available education and forced education.
I think you assume too much.
So says the person who assumes that the current minimum wage is a livable wage.
once again depends on where you live.

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