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Phat
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Message 45 of 77 (659465)
04-16-2012 4:36 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by ICANT
04-15-2012 3:18 PM


Re: Creationism
I CANT writes:
I personally believe from studying the scriptures that the universe and earth have always existed in some form just not in the form we observe it today.
My reason for that belief is that God (existence) is eternal without beginning or end. The text says in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Since God had no beginning when was the beginning?
To me, that sounds a bit more pantheistic than monotheistic. Is humanity a created thing? If we are in communion with God, is it the same as being part of God?
Did God create Himself?
Personally I believe that God always existed but that matter,energy, and life were created things.
I suppose, however, that we could argue that if we are in communion with God through His Son, we ourselves always existed in His imagination...as did everything else. It just strikes me as more of a pantheistic view as opposed to a monotheistic/communion view.

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Message 49 of 77 (659487)
04-16-2012 9:03 AM
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04-16-2012 8:33 AM


Re: Creationism
ICANT writes:
Because the Bible says in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Since God had no beginning the universe could have no beginning. It existed, just was not in the form we see today.
I suppose the universe could have existed within the imagination of God before He actually created it.
If I were to build a new deck onto my house, I could well imagine what it will soon look like. Does that mean the deck actually exists?

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Message 70 of 77 (659598)
04-17-2012 9:14 AM
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04-16-2012 11:20 AM


Theoretical Interpretations Of Scripture
ICANT writes:
The man in Genesis 2:7 was formed from the dust of the ground. Thus he was made not created.
You said earlier that my deck would exist in a different form.
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since the metal and wood does exist, the deck exists in some form just not in the form you have imagined ...
Thus, if man was made and not created, would you say that humans always existed...as dust or as some other form of matter? Was the life within us created?(or did it too exist in someone else?)
hmmmm... in Him was life, and that life was the light of the world....thus, has life eternally existed through God?
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : No reason given.

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Message 71 of 77 (659599)
04-17-2012 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by vimesey
04-17-2012 8:57 AM


Re: My experience
vimesay writes:
I have a number of friends who have a religious faith, mainly Christians, but none of them has ever expressed any creationist beliefs to me.
Hello and welcome to the discussion! Personally, I find it easier to express my creationist ideas as philosophy and speculation. I may use scriptures to support that the ideas could be interpreted theologically, yet I never limit them to that.
Creationism runs into trouble when the idea tries to define the science.
Creationism is a valid topic for Theological philosophy. (IMHO)
Edited by Phat, : clarification

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