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Hi Son, I was under the impression that you believed in creationism from all the posts we have exchanged.In fact everyone here that I have engaged except cavediver has held to some sort of creationism. They do not believe in the YEC version but they do believe in creationism as they believe in the BBT.To have the BBT that begins from a point that has no place to exist one has to believe in creationism, of some sort.I personally believe from studying the scriptures that the universe and earth have always existed in some form just not in the form we observe it today.My reason for that belief is that God (existence) is eternal without beginning or end. The text says in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Since God had no beginning when was the beginning?God Bless,

Hi Dr,Creation is: Creation Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com.Creationism would be the belief that something was created.You gave me the definition of Biblical creationism.So was the universe created or has it always existed in some form?God Bless,

Hi NoNukes, It is simple.Either the universe was created by some means or the universe has always existed.I gather from Son's posts to me that he seems to believe the universe began to exist from a point called a singularity which is nothing but a place where the math will not work. If that is the case then something had to cause the universe to begin to exist. This would have to come from an absence of anything.I gather from cavediver's posts to me that he leans more to the idea that there was something existing in which two branes smacked into each other and caused the universe as we know it today to exist. This would have come from existing material.I could have misunderstood what they have said and would welcome a clarification if I did.But regardless there was either existence in which material existed that the universe was formed from.ORThere was no existence or material for the universe to be formed from. Then all of a sudden something existed which produced the universe as we know it.So you are a creationist or you believe the universe existed in some form eternally in the past, without beginning.Now if you have another choice please present it, for my benefit. I personally believe the universe has always existed in some form but not necessarly as we see it today. There is something about energy and matter not being able to be created or destroyed. Besides the Bible says that God created the heavens and the earth in the beginning. Since God is eternal when was the beginning?If you or anyone else believes that the universe had a beginning to exist then you are a creationist as it had to begin to exist, from non existence. Thus it was created.God Bless,

Hi Dr, Was your car created from an absence of existence?I dare say it was created from existing material.Can you tell me the difference between non existence and existence?

Hi Dr, Your car was not created.It was produced on an assembly line from parts that was made from existing material.So your car was produced by ordinary processes.

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create: [kree-eyt] verb, created, creating, adjective
verb, (used with object)
1. to cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes.

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Create Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.comHas the universe existed eternally in the past in some form?
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Did the universe begin to exist?God Bless,

Hi Son, When I am talking about a creationist I am refering to someone who believes the universe had a beginning to exist.Did the universe begin to exist 13.7 billion years in the past?
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Was the material the universe is formed from exist eternally in the past? I never heard about a creationist until I came to EvC in 2007.I had heard of religious people that believed in a young earth and people who believed in an old earth called gap theory.I had heard of people who believed the universe began to exist with a big bang.I never believed any of them. Because the Bible says in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Since God had no beginning the universe could have no beginning. It existed, just was not in the form we see today.God Bless,

Hi Phat, If you have imagined the deck in your mind and even drawn a blueprint it exists in your mind and on paper.But if there is no material in existence for you to build the deck it does not exist and cannot exist, unless you have the ability to speak the materials into existence.But since the metal and wood does exist, the deck exists in some form just not in the form you have imagined or drawn on paper.God Bless,

Hi Son, If you don't know the answer, then why ask the question concerning creationism?The universe either existed in some form or it began to exist.If the universe began to exist there had to be an entity in existence to create the universe causing it to begin to exist.That entity could have been the Hartle-Hawking instanton, or two branes banging together. In either case there had to be existence of some kind in existence.God Bless,

Hi Phat, The man in Genesis 2:7 was formed from the dust of the ground. Thus he was made not created.Mankind in Genesis 1:27 was created in the image/likeness of God.A great ocean creature was created in Genesis 1:21.The heavens and the earth was created in Genesis 1:1.Those are the only creation events mentioned in Genesis chapter 1 & 2.All following uses of (bara) created, was refering to one of the above events. There is the possibility that matter/energy was created ex nihilo. But the text in Genesis 1:1 does not support such an idea. Now if my Hebrew professor was correct and we should interpet Genesis 1:1 as "In the realm or sphere of the beginnings God created the heavens and the Earth" that would support that matter/energy was created ex nihilo.God Bless,

Hi Phat, Yes, just as the man in Genesis 2:7 existed in another form. The only thing added was the breath of life from God. I would say the body of the man in Genesis 2:7 had existed from the beginning. But that man was not modern mankind.The man in Genesis 2:7 was made from the dust of the ground. Then God added life to that form He had formed from the dust of the ground.Modern man that was created in Genesis 1:27 was not created from any existing material. Fact: life produces life.Non life ever produced life.But we are straying from the topic if you have other questions email me, or start a thread to discuss this subject further.God Bless, Edited by Adminnemooseus, : No reason given.