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Granny Magda
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Message 47 of 77 (659472)
04-16-2012 7:19 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by foreveryoung
04-15-2012 11:45 PM


Re: Evidence vs. belief
Hi foreveryoung,
I don't believe the biblical genealogies were meant as time measuring instruments, so the whole 4350 year old flood is a bogus argument to me.
But I thought you were a biblical literalist? If so, then this appears to be an attempt to have your literalist cake and eat it. Either the genealogies are accurate, in which case they can clearly be used to date biblical events, or they are not accurate, in which case the Bible is errant. I don't see how your middle ground position would work.
The flood happened at the hadean/archean boundary. That is 3.9 billion years ago according to radiometric methods.
Even using comparative dating, the Hadean was a long time before humans appeared on the scene. In fact, there were no modern animals or plants back then. There were no humans during that period, therefore neither the Hadean nor the Archean can possibly be the Flood era.
How do you explain this contradiction?
I believe in accelerated radioactive decay so the hadean/archean boundary is actually much younger than that.
Be sure to mention that to your geology professors.
If we could measure the amount of sediment accumulation on a shore that is currently experiencing either transgression or regression and compare it to the depth of marine sediment of known radiometric age, we could have a more realistic age of the earth.
But that's not the only geological process going on is it? For a start there is erosion. There are also subduction zones where whole tectonic plates gradually disappear into the mantle. Does your model take this into account?
Mutate and Survive

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Granny Magda
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Message 61 of 77 (659548)
04-16-2012 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by foreveryoung
04-16-2012 2:28 PM


Re: Evidence vs. belief
Yes, I am a biblical literalist. The genealogies are accurate; they just were never meant to measure time.
Nonetheless, they do give us measures of time, whether they were intended to or not.
They have been trimmed multiple times to keep them from being unwieldy. The son is still the ancestor of the father in each line. The hebrew language does not neccesitate a 1 generation descent per line. Hundred of generations could be held within one descent line.
What backing can you provide for that exactly? To me it sounds like an assumption which is not justified by the texts.
Just because you can't find human fossils, doesn't mean they weren't living. Can you find fossils for every species that ever lived? I didn't think so. You can make no definitive statements about what lived and what didn't live based on fossils.
It's not just that there are no human fossils, it's that there are no animal fossils of any kind! There aren't even any eukaryotes known from the Archean. Are you really suggesting that humans and modern plants and animals lived back then without leaving the slightest trace? Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?
I am at the very top of both of my geology classes and was the top of the one I took last semester. I am not suicidal. Why should I risk such a good record?
I dunno, honesty? I mean, do you really want to understand geology or do you just want to waste your time learning to recite a bunch of meaningless falsehoods?
If your ideas about Bible-friendly geology are worthwhile, then your geology professors are exactly the people you need to be talking to. They will have the expertise needed to talk through your theories with you and iron out any faults. If your ideas are really that important, you might change their minds. Even if not, at least you would be doing something meaningful rather than parroting stuff you don't believe.
On the other hand, if your take on geology is wrong - as I believe it is - then your professors will be the ideal people to help you see that. They will put your ideas to the acid test. If those ideas are mistaken, they will be able to help you see it. That's a good thing. We should never be afraid to put our ideas to the test, even if it occasionally means being forced to abandon some cherished notion.
Erosion cannot date a single thing. It isn't consistent enough across all situations to be reliable.
I wasn't talking about dating by erosion, I meant that your deposition based method doesn't seem to take it into account.
Yes, my model takes plate tectonics into account. My accelerated decay model provides a means for rapid plate movement and subduction.
Well don't be shy; do tell.
Mutate and Survive

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