You need to repent of your sins, take up your cross, and follow Christ. God is the Creator and you should humble yourself before before the Lord and he will lift you up in honor. the creator created you out of dust.. without him you would have remained as dust. in all you are worthless and your existence is all thanks to God in giving you life, not your mother. are you too proud to kneel and give thanks to the Lord Almighty who is the Creator of all life? Jesus didnt just show us THE WAY, but Jesus is THE WAY. Jesus didnt just tell us THE TRUTH, Jesus is THE TRUTH. Jesus Christ is God, God gave us Life, and God is THE LIFE. If you do not have the spirit of God in you, you do not have LIFE. I am talking about TRUE LIFE.
Prove this jesus or god character exists outside of your imagination.
in all you are worthless and your existence is all thanks to God in giving you life
And christians say atheists have a dreary existence. I pity you christians, I really do. I pity that you feel so miserable about yourselves. You strive for humility, but what you have is self loathing. It's a shame and a waste of a lifetime.
So I ask again: can you provide ANY evidence this jesus or god character exists outside of your own imagination? Your message seems to contain that of instructing other people the "trvth" of these characters and how much they need these characters, so surely you have some evidence of their factual existence.
"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins
quote:You need to repent of your sins, take up your cross, and follow Christ.
Repenting of wrong behavior and taking up right behavior isn't really a new issue. The idea being that doing what's right makes one's life better.
The God of Abraham made a contract with Abraham and his descendants. The agreement is that as long as Abraham and his descendants followed the terms of the contract they would prosper in all they do. Break the contract and things would not go well. (Deuteronomy 29 & 30)
Jesus was not the God of Abraham (depending on which gospel one reads). He was a messenger trying to bring the "lost" Jews into alignment with the contract. Jesus didn't teach anything new. IMO, he was trying to get back to basics. Cut through the fence around the Torah.
Since God created all living things, why expect humans to kneel and give thanks? Why the need for extra rules for humans, but not for any other creature?
I apologoze if this seems like piling on, but I'm curious as to what your goal here is. If you want to preach to make yourself feel better, then I guess you might be accomplishing your goal, but you have chosen an interesting place to do it, namely a place where others can respond to you and will do so without necessarily agreeing with you.
If your goal is to try and "help" us, because you are truly concerned about our everlasting souls, then you're going about it all wrong. You need to know your audience. This forum is filled with all stripes of people, from theists to deists to atheists to everything in between. "Preaching" is a good way to talk to other theists, sometimes, but you're unlikely to make any difference because you're not saying anything they don't already believe. If you preach to a theist of a different faith, you're likewise going to fail, because s/he can throw quotes and platitudes that support their religion just as easily as you can.
For the atheists, you're supremely out of your depth. We've all heard the preaching, the cajoling, the threatening and the self-loathing before. We find it unconvincing. We find it so for different reasons, but they tend to boil down to: 1) Your preaching sounds very much like the preaching of every other religion, so what makes yours more plausible?
2) We tend to value proof over passion. You can be as heartfelt as you can be, and it will do no where near as much to convince us as holding a fossil in our hands.
So, if you want to convince people who have in almost all cases heard, thought about, and pondered the very things you're saying and found them lacking, you'll have to produce some empirical reason for them to believe you.
I like your post. it was very touching, but I feel as though unless you repent, take up your cross, and follow Jesus Christ, you will surely suffer not by being condemned eteranlly by God, but by yourself for not giving God the credit his majesty truely deserves.
If I said the same about Zeus, would you feel compelled to worship Zeus? I doubt it. So why do you think this type of preaching will compel us to believe in God?
Borrowing from Stephen Roberts, we only disbelieve in one more god than you do. When you understand why you do not believe in those thousands of other gods you will understand why we do not believe in your god. It is that simple.
Actually, that statement is a very strong indicator that he has never read the Bible.
If you read the Bible it is filled with stories about folk that don't believe in God or Jesus and in all cases the God or Jesus character does not condemn the individual but rather goes on to provide comfort and additional evidence.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
What does this make me think about atheists? I like your post. it was very touching, but I feel as though unless you repent, take up your cross, and follow Jesus Christ, you will surely suffer not by being condemned eteranlly by God, but by yourself for not giving God the credit his majesty truely deserves. I think atheists that turn others away from God will be worst off than those who keep their anti-God beliefs to themselves.
I'm not overly concerned about my own fate simply because I've found no credible reason to believe that "eternal condemnation" actually happens in reality.
But you've demonstrated part of what I spoke of: you believe that not only is it okay, but it's morally correct for your deity to punish me with eternal burning torture simply for not being convinced that your specific story is true (as opposed to the thousands of other religions with similar, mutually exclusive stories).
Essentially, you've just told me that you think it's good that your deity should commit an act infinitely worse than the Holocaust. I find such a position to be ethically disgusting.
And yet you claim to experience "unconditional love." Penalizing disbelief with eternal torture seems to be a rather large condition on that love. I don;t think that any actually loving individual, deity or otherwise, would ever condemn even one person to the Christian Hell under any circumstance. In fact, were I to become an omnipotent deity tomorrow, my very first act would be to rewrite reality such that no person ever needed to die, that no loved ones ever needed to say goodbye to each other, that no one should suffer the pain of loss or fear the end of their own existence. And I wouldn't place any conditions on it - I wouldn't punish those who don't "give me credit," I wouldn't withhold eternal life from those who found my existence to be incredulous. There would be no Hell.
That would seem to make me, an Atheist, more unconditionally loving than your deity.
"What if someone leads one of these little ones who believe in me to sin? If he does, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck."
So essentially you're telling me that I should just shut up, that I should not share the same freedom to express my beliefs that you do.
I understand that your religion tells you that. I was a Christian once myself, for over 20 years. But please remember: from my perspective, you are trying to lead people astray into worshiping an imaginary character, hoping for rewards and fearing punishments that I don't think exist at all.
Perhaps, as individuals with our own hopes and dreams and likes and dislikes, we can agree that we both have every right to believe according to our own conscience, even if we arrive at different conclusions. Perhaps we can agree that neither of us should be told to keep our beliefs to ourselves.
I feel for you and I will pray for you.
I appreciate the sentiment, I really do, but still I would prefer that you didn't. I find it to be offensive and condescending. A common reply by some more confrontational Atheists would be "And I'll think for you." I imagine you'd find that to be offensive as well, on about the same level that I feel about your offer of prayer.
I choose a Eternity without pain and perishable objects and possesions. I choose a Eternity with Love and Joy with my Creator.
Eternal life without suffering does sound rather nice...but to be even remotely ethical, your deity would need to allow everyone to be granted eternal life free from suffering, without the restriction that they must first believe in him.
I have no problem admitting that I love God more than I love people and my family.
I have an ethical problem with that, of course. I think that all thinking beings carry equal moral weight...which of course is why I don't want to torture the innocent or the guilty.
it was said: "Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me. Anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And anyone who does not pick up his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. If anyone finds his life, he will lose it. If anyone loses his life because of me, he will find it." - Jesus Christ
I'm well aware of what is written in the Bible. Please do remember that the Bible, to me, is really no different from the Koran or the Rig Veda or a collection of Greek myths. You may as well pull a quote from the Lord of the Rings for all the effect it will have on me - you're not preaching to a choir here.
There is a way to convince me that your deity exists, however. All you have to do is provide sufficient evidence for me to find the story convincing.
That said...I'd still refuse to worship any deity that sent anyone at all to eternal suffering regardless of cause. I'd rather be sent to Hell than side with the being who sends people there in the first place.
If you do not love Jesus Christ more than anything else, you will surely lose your life. I'd rather live for Eternity, than a lifetime.
Why should I believe that your beliefs can actually offer real eternal life? How should I differentiate fact from fiction?
“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.” - Francis Bacon
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers