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Alfred Maddenstein
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Message 59 of 69 (669787)
08-02-2012 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by foreveryoung
07-31-2012 9:52 AM


Re: spacetime?
Waves are not objects either. Waves are the motion of the ocean. It's water molecules that are moving. Waves absolutely need a physical medium to occur. Neither space nor time nor the combination of both can be such a medium. Both space and time are abstractions. Combining two abstractions doesn't make a fabric. It makes only a metaphor or a co-ordinates map at best.

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Message 61 of 69 (669791)
08-02-2012 11:19 PM
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08-02-2012 10:14 PM


Re: spacetime?
I don't know what EMR is exactly and do not pretend to know. All I am saying is that either there is a real physical medium or the whole concept of waves and particles is a temporary place-holder standing for something that is not yet understood. The concept works well enough as it is even if the explanation is absurd. It's just that no absurd explanation satisfies so it cannot last indefinitely.

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Message 64 of 69 (669798)
08-03-2012 1:19 AM
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08-03-2012 12:21 AM


Re: spacetime?
NoNukes, if you are tickled pink by these explanations, well, no problem for you then.
Alfred Maddenstein is not. That is all. Horses for courses and courses for horses.
Then the satisfaction goes like:
Light is a wave in vacuum. What is it exactly that is waving? Space-time which is a field metric.
Got it. Lovely and very instructive!!!!
The Universe is expanding. Where could it be possibly expanding into being everywhere already? Nowhere. It's JUST expanding. Everywhere itself is expanding.
Got it. Illuminating!!!!

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Alfred Maddenstein
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Message 67 of 69 (669830)
08-03-2012 12:22 PM
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08-03-2012 10:54 AM


Re: spacetime?
That implies you claim you do understand it. You may or may not have something behind that claim, Inadequate. Who knows.
So, come on, explain to the silly cat and the public: what is the medium for radiation waves if there is one, or alternatively how it is possible to wave if there isn't.
Also enlighten the moggy about the alleged universal expansion in no uncertain terms. Come on, don't be shy and put your money where your mouth is, Inadequate.

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Message 68 of 69 (669851)
08-04-2012 12:41 AM
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08-03-2012 10:04 AM


Re: spacetime?
Well, it's not that intuition or common sense is ever really faulty. It's rather just limited in scope and application. Is the common sense perception that the line of sight to the horizon is straight faulty? It is not. What may be faulty is the extrapolation of that idea which is correct in itself onto the whole earth. When the overall relation is explained to the common sense though, there is no contradiction. Then it is clear that what is flat at close range may be round from a distance. The same goes for the Big Bunk cosmology with its linear time. It's only the common sense that every little thing may have an origin and a beginning in time. You are born, grow up and then die and one event is strictly following the other in linear succession. It becomes faulty only when this correct common sense intuition is projected onto the whole of existence. Only then the theory built on such an intuition becomes a piece of nonsense like it is the case with the Biblical and the Big Bunk cosmogonies.

I don't have much time for all those labellings into cranks and?? whatever is the opposite of crank?

Is this bozo Maldacena a crank or not in your opinion? The one who got 3 million dollar prize for his Maldacena conjecture. I read a couple of his papers and my conclusion is that he is a quack selling bunkum oil. Nothing to do with physics. You might disagree and might find his descriptions perfectly realistic and useful. At the same time you are holding that this dude's contention that planets are old stars to be very strange. Is there anything impossible in principle in the idea? It has a lot of difficulties to be sure. So does the idea of proto-planetary disc.

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