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Author | Topic: Did Jesus Exist? by Bart Ehrman | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
quote: You never complained about historian's methodology when it comes to the existence of Jesus? Because those who claim he never existed always complain about the methodology of the 99% of historians that say he did exist.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
quote: So do you deny the human existence of Jesus, 2000 years ago, or not?
quote: You also deny you ever complained about the methodology of mainstream historians, when it comes to the existence of Jesus.
quote: I find it hard to believe that somebody who claims Jesus never existed: A - claims he never complained about the methodology of mainstream historians B - has no opinion on Richard Carrier and Robert M Price
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Percy Member Posts: 22929 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
LamarkNewAge in Message 511 writes: You never complained about historian's methodology when it comes to the existence of Jesus? I'm afraid not.
Because those who claim he never existed always complain about the methodology of the 99% of historians that say he did exist. It's more likely that Jesus isn't even within the purview of 99% of historians. --Percy
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
Name me a single (known ethnic) Jewish historian that says Jesus did not exist.
Israel has a ton of specialists that are massively interested in Biblical studies.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
How many Ivy League historians ever doubted Jesus existed?
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Percy Member Posts: 22929 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 7.2
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LamarkNewAge writes: Name me a single (known ethnic) Jewish historian that says Jesus did not exist. I don't think I could name even one contemporary historian, let alone an ethnic Jewish historian who happens to be single. --Percy
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
You seem to be very evasive when it comes to bringing some sort of methodological criticism to the table.
You don't have to be a technician to have technique. You have a fringe view, and you act like methodology is almost an afterthought. Why don't you trust the near unanimity of historians, who work in the field? Why is the massive consensus wrong?
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Percy Member Posts: 22929 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
LamarkNewAge in Message 515 writes: How many Ivy League historians ever doubted Jesus existed? You seemed to be focused on the argument from authority, a common fallacy. Discussion here should focus on building arguments around evidence. --Percy
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
quote: Oh, I was going to allow you to pick and choose radical historians, but you need to have an idea what is wrong with the mainstream ones.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
There are some ethnic Jewish scholars who deny Jesus existed. I need to check my book inventory. Some books I have never read yet come to mind.
But all deniers are fringe. Robert Eisenmann has moved much closer to the myther viewpoint, but he is not one I am referring to.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/16065
Theodoric never told us that!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
I have never told you anything about Carrier or Price or any other mythicists. I have no idea what you are going on about and doubt you do either.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
I thought you said you have his book On The Historicity Of Jesus
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Percy Member Posts: 22929 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
LamarkNewAge in Message 523 writes: I thought you said you have his book On The Historicity Of Jesus After doing a search on this thread, if Theodoric ever said that it wasn't here. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22929 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
You added to your message after I read it.
LamarkNewAge in Message 517 writes: You have a fringe view, and you act like methodology is almost an afterthought. I don't know why you would say that latter part.
Why don't you trust the near unanimity of historians, who work in the field? Are they really historians, though? Or are they religious scholars? Primarily Biblical religious scholars.
Why is the massive consensus wrong? The primary reason is that religious beliefs prevent objectivity. Another reason is that the consensus itself causes its own feedback loop, strengthening faith in the belief. --Percy
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