Gay\transgender -- not by genetics, not by upbringing, not by choice

It seems that a small difference in nature coupled with a small difference in nurture produced a noticeable difference in personality but lets not exaggerate the magnitude of that difference. If one liked blue and the other liked green you wouldn't bat an eye but if one likes pink it's, "OMG! He acts like a girl!"It isn't unusual for twins to have different personalities. In this case, the difference happens to cross the line of gender stereotypes but is there really a definable difference between "male" personalities and "female" personalities?Why does a person have to be a "girl in a boy's body"? Why can't he just be a boy who likes pink?

But how much of that distress is caused by expectations of what gender "should be"? In the OP, the child was told, "You don't want to wear that." His preferences were unacceptable right from the beginning.

So where does that idea of a "wrong body" come from? What creates the "internal identity"? How is that different from somebody who wants to have a healthy leg amputated because it "feels wrong"? Is there such a thing as a white man trapped in a black man's body? Would race reassignment surgery be the solution? I have all kinds of sympathy for people who aren't comfortable with themselves or their place in society. I just think that in some/many cases there are other solutions than cut and paste.

I'm an honorary lesbian.Edited by ringo, : Added a space. @#$%ing spacebar isn't anticipating my needs.

Corrective surgery would be something like fixing a malfunctioning heart valve. "Gender reassignment" is fakery. It doesn't make you a different gender; it just makes you look like a different gender.Maybe you'd like to answer the question I asked earlier: Where do you stand on race reassignment surgery? My guess is that some people would feel better after having their race "corrected".

What's the difference between a soldier who loses a leg to an IED and a man who wants to have a healthy leg amputated because it "feels wrong"?Choice. I can't speak for Oni but I've aways been an advocate of unisex bathrooms.Edited by ringo, : "unsex" --> "unisex"

So what what? If you have a point to make, make it.My position has been that a person should be able to live in society without having to slice-and-dice him/herself to conform to a stereotype.What's the difference between amputating an unwanted healthy leg and amputating unwanted healthy genitals?Where do you stand on race reassignment surgery?Edited by ringo, : Speling.

When somebody makes a choice that is regarded as harmful - e.g. suicide - most societies respond with counselling rather than laissez-faire.

The gay, lesbian and bisexual people that I know want to be accepted as they are. They don't want to change.

What harm does it do to anybody else if somebody wants to commit suicide? Yet we offer them counselling, not bullets.

No such distinction has been demonstrated (yet) in this thread.

If the same standard is applied to genital modifications (and I'll waive the terminal illness requrement) I have no serious objection. I'm arguing for the "sound mind" provision. I don't want people to jump for the Veg-O-Matic solution just because some do-gooders think it's de rigeur.

Sounds reasonable. That's what I've been advocating. I don't quite understand all of the knee-jerk reactions that I've been getting.

If you can point out where I've done any such thing....It took more than fifty posts for anybody to post that infomation (and still no documentation). You guys should step up your game instead of falling over each other trying to be liberaler than thou. Edited by ringo, : Took subbie's words out of my mouth (fixed quote attribution).

"Liberaler than thou" refers to some people's eagerness to jump on the We Love Genderqueer bandwagon without bothering to read the the posts they're responding to or think through their position.Now you. Show me where I condemned anything.