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Author Topic:   Gay\transgender -- not by genetics, not by upbringing, not by choice
fearandloathing
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Message 124 of 276 (661527)
05-07-2012 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by ringo
05-05-2012 12:12 PM


Re: Just to clarify
That attitude is the problem. People are taught that they should act "like a man" or "like a woman". How you act is how you act and what you are is what you are - and ne'er the twain should have to meet.
quote:
North Carolina Pastor, Sean Harris, is making his way around the blogosphere for his horrific rant about how parents should treat their children if little boys act a bit girly. He urges parents to hit their kids and even break their bones to avoid losing them to homosexuality.
Read more at Pastor Sean Harris: Parents Should Punch Gay Acting Children - Inquisitr
This type of thinking sickens me. here is a little from the transcript....
quote:
Can I make it any clearer? Dads, the second you see your son dropping the limp wrist, you walk over there and crack that wrist. Man up. Give him a good punch. Ok? You are not going to act like that. You were made by God to be a male and you are going to be a male.
From here.
Some people believe that GLBT people can be fixed, even if you have to use a Jesus stick to beat it out of them. Personally I don't think they are broken, but our society and the attitudes of some must make life confusing if not unbearable for many.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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fearandloathing
Member (Idle past 4172 days)
Posts: 990
From: Burlington, NC, USA
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Message 128 of 276 (661533)
05-07-2012 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Taz
05-07-2012 3:15 PM


Re: Just to clarify
doesn't mean giving surgery to anyone who says they're transgendered is a good thing.
Letting a woman get a set of giant breast implants might not be a good idea either, many later go back for a smaller size. ( Pam Anderson has went up and down several times if I remember right) I would no more stop a woman who knows the risk and consequences from attempting to improve themselves than I would a transgender person. If surgery is what these people feel is the right thing to do then far as I know it is still a free country...sort of.
I guess you are probably against parents getting cosmetic surgery for their children under 18? I am, unless it is special circumstances...cleft pallet, car wreck ect, but nose jobs and such no.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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fearandloathing
Member (Idle past 4172 days)
Posts: 990
From: Burlington, NC, USA
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Message 130 of 276 (661539)
05-07-2012 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Taz
05-07-2012 3:51 PM


Re: Just to clarify
Taz writes:
The real question is can you verbalize the reasons why you believe that? Or is it just a feeling that you have?
Just a feeling, I could be wrong, doesn't matter anyway as it has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
In all reality my post Message 124 was only meant to be an example of how some people still believe that GLBT people can be changed. I didn't intend to be for or against the surgery. I have next to no experience with transgenders (far as I know). I have a few gay friends and know a few lesbians as well, the only TG person I know is a bit off, has a bad temper and parties way too much for my taste.
I do feel that many women get cosmetic surgery for the wrong reasons. Low self esteem is not going to be fixed by surgery alone. I also feel that some parents want to "fix" their kids, for their own reasons.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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fearandloathing
Member (Idle past 4172 days)
Posts: 990
From: Burlington, NC, USA
Joined: 02-24-2011


Message 132 of 276 (661543)
05-07-2012 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by Taz
05-07-2012 4:28 PM


Re: Just to clarify
You have insight, hands on experience helping TG people that gives you insight that I can not obtain from Google. Thank you for helping your fellow man/woman.
Your link was very informative.....straggler posted some links I haven't got around to yet.
The more I learn...the more ignorant I find I am.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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