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Jazzns
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Message 16 of 722 (661263)
05-03-2012 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by mike the wiz
05-03-2012 2:58 PM


That's not how the bible describes God. God is gravity, that is how you should see Him.
So are you basically saying that nothing could have prevented those children from dying (flood, jewish imperialism, David's bastard)? That is the equivalent of what happens when you throw a rock up that it must come down? That if you are God's chosen ruler and you screw up then you doom a baby to die a terrible death?
Is that some kind of horror version of every time a bell rings an angel gets its wings?
Appologists for god have this arrogant position that just because humanity can't or won't produce an objective morality that therefore their sky daddy must do it.
I happen to think that a certain basic morality CAN in fact be formed from first principles but even if I couldn't it wouldn't matter one bit. I don't need your tyrant god to tell me that murdering children is bad. I can simply join with the other members of my community to decide for ourselves to convict anyone who would take such an action. It doesn't matter that its relative only that it is real. That your war god escapes condemnation in our society for the exact same actions we consider crimes is only a function of his legacy and frankly, his non-existence.

BUT if objects for gratitude and admiration are our desire, do they not present themselves every hour to our eyes? Do we not see a fair creation prepared to receive us the instant we are born --a world furnished to our hands, that cost us nothing? Is it we that light up the sun; that pour down the rain; and fill the earth with abundance? Whether we sleep or wake, the vast machinery of the universe still goes on. Are these things, and the blessings they indicate in future, nothing to, us? Can our gross feelings be excited by no other subjects than tragedy and suicide? Or is the gloomy pride of man become so intolerable, that nothing can flatter it but a sacrifice of the Creator? --Thomas Paine

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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3937 days)
Posts: 2657
From: A Better America
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Message 19 of 722 (661437)
05-05-2012 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by GDR
05-05-2012 12:41 AM


moved?
I am not sure why you moved it over here. My points were about the scripture not about morality.
I'll respond when I have time later but I will be putting it back in the original thread if thats okay with you.

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