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Larni
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Message 37 of 722 (681390)
11-25-2012 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by frako
04-28-2012 6:34 AM


The God of the Bible is good and bad.
Kind of like an abusive spouse: capable of great affection right up untill they put you in hospital.
Fluffy bunny Xians often forget about how much of a supreme cunt their god is described to be.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
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Message 45 of 722 (681735)
11-27-2012 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by jaywill
11-25-2012 10:49 PM


I expect an example of "great affection" suddenly followed by great injury. What's your example ?
Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
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Message 46 of 722 (681736)
11-27-2012 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Phat
11-25-2012 11:36 PM


Re: Character
This is what I never understand. Christians seem to make up the character of God, even when it contradicts the Bible.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
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Message 48 of 722 (681741)
11-27-2012 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Faith
11-27-2012 3:42 PM


Re: Character
Again I don't understand. I'm in no way interpreting the Bible in any way other than literally.
When Lev 20:13 says gay men should be killed that is exactly what it means. I don't see how we can redefine the literal message of the Bible because some guy thinks it should be redefined to fit so called modern values.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
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Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 50 of 722 (681747)
11-27-2012 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by jar
11-27-2012 4:25 PM


Re: Character
I'm comming at this from a literalist point of view that I believe mirrors Faith's.
She has said many times in geology threads that when science contradicts the Bible she goes with the Bible as authoritive.
I haven't forgotten our recent discourse.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
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Message 52 of 722 (681819)
11-28-2012 3:23 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Faith
11-27-2012 11:24 PM


Re: Character
But by definition if you do not take the Bible as a literal record inspired (to be accurate) by God then you are being biased in stating what you think the Bible means.
Do you or do you not think that by being in the (god) inspired Bible Lev 20:13 means that gay men should be killed? If not, what Biblical reason do you have to not think that way?

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
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Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 58 of 722 (681848)
11-28-2012 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by jaywill
11-28-2012 8:54 AM


1.) If this verse read "He that believes and is baptized shall be saved [and he who does not believe shall ALSO be saved]" then that would not show a love of God that is pure or righteous.
When you say 'pure and righteous' I start to think that you are redefining 'love' to fit the actions of your god. This is conditional love: your god is saying 'I will love you if you do exactly what I want. Otherwise I will go out of my way to punish you'.
it would be no love to eternally mix into their number myriads who have refused to be saved.
So your god's motivation is not to be 'pure and righteous' but a form of spiritual apartied.
It would be no love for the sons of God, the brothers of Christ the Firstborn brother to forever have to put up with God haters, God rejectors, revolting rebels whose disadain for the Ultimate moral Governor of all creation is unredeemably contrarian. Those unbelievers are loved by God but have self chosen to carry their enmity against the willing Savior perpetually.
So rather than send all these people to 'Number 2, Heaven' where the canapes are slightly less fresh, your god (in his mercy and love) renders them into immortal bodies to be tortured for all eternity.
Love? Or spite for rejecting him? Why not just let the visciously evil people who reject your god be permenently dead? But no. You god must have his misery.
3.) The objector to Mark 16:16 may envision of love without righteousness. He may think that God should give up His eternal rigthteous character and just be the ultimate permissivist allowing anything to be done.
That is not righteous. That is your god's over reaction and lust for solving every problem with threats and violence. And the bible shows this quite well, no matter how you twist your god's inspired words.
If we believe that Christ is here for our gracious salvation we will not only share His glorious destiny as the reigning Godman in God's kingdom over the universe, but we shall be co-sons of God conformed to His image - blameless and without moral spot of imperfection (no foriegn element of sin) before the ultimate holiness of a righteous Father God.
So you beleive the bible when it says you need to be saved but not when it tells you to kill gay men?
That's so irrational.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
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From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 60 of 722 (681863)
11-28-2012 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by jaywill
11-28-2012 10:08 AM


Re: Character
You are contradicting the bible.
Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Psalm 33:11 The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.
Psalm 100:5 For the LORD is good, his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations
Psalm 117:2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.
Psalm 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
Isaiah 40:8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
2nd Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"
Revelation 22:18-19 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
You are not allowed to rewrite the Bible to fit with your individual notion of what it really says. it says so in the Bible, for God's sake
I don't get how you can ignore what the bible actually says
Edited by Larni, : No reason given.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
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Message 123 of 722 (682613)
12-04-2012 6:57 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by jaywill
11-29-2012 11:05 AM


Re: Character
Can you quote the sentences which I alledgedly ADDED ?
Can you indicatee what I suggested should not be considered written in it ?
If you cannot then you should admit a false accusation of my adding or subtracting from the Bible's text.
I can see your point. But what you seem to be doing (addressed below) is implying that when God does something awful (such as the Fluod) that he is actually doing good and that he is doing good because anything he does is by definition good.
That is special pleading.
A fuller picture of truth does not count the former words impure.
A fuller picture? How is this not qualifiying the bible based on your interpretation of what the bible means? As far as I can see if God says to kills gays they should be killed (from a loving Christian perspective).
The mother tells her child at age two "Eat the food. Pick it up with your fingers." Latter as the child advances to age five she may say "Use your FORK."
The latter fuller word does not render the former word impure.
This is not a good analogy. God does not change his mind: what is righteous is always righteous (unless God decides it is not; so again special pleading).
Psalm 100:5 For the LORD is good, his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations
Psalm 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
Isaiah 40:8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Truth does not change. If it's okay to eat with your fingers it is ALWAYS alright to do so.
You are showing us that you can hunt through the Scriptures for passages. See, you too could find Jesus Christ there is you really had an open heart to the Lord and Savior Jesus.
When you say open heart what you mean is to rationalise the bad bits. When I read the bible I read all of it, not just the bits you like.
Where did I say the counsel of the Lord does not stand forever ? Would you quote me?
quote:
The level of the disclosure of God's purpose and nature renders somewhat different speakings as the word of God progresses.
Pretty clear cut.
I think your complaint is over interpretive matters. If you think I am interpreting wrongly, then tell me why you think that.
You go out of your way to handwave the bits where your god is a psychopath.
Along with the death penalty in Leviticus was the trespass offerings, peace offerings, sin offerings. These were all types and symbols of the Son of God to come as the all-inclusive final offering for the sin of the world.
Lets think about this: the sin of the world is down to him rigging the game so that sin was inevitable. Good planning omniscient one!
I would suggest that you go about your objection by pointing out WHERE the homosexual or blasphemer was specifically forbidden to avail himself of one of the other offerings should he repent of his ways - ie. the sin offering, the trespass offering, the peace offering, even the consecration offering.
You miss the point entirely: IT IS NOT WRONG TO BE GAY. You do not need to repent for being how God made you. God decides on a whim that being gay is bad but he sets the rules. He could say "no it's fine, go to heaven when you die". Don't forget that God is not constrained by anything. If one says he has traits which he cannot change then these traits can be accurately described as homophobic and distastefull.
I am out here on a limb now. Maybe I need correction. You do the work. WHERE does the Old Testament say the "gay" man could not repent and perhaps offer a sin offering to the priest for his atonemen ?
Again you miss the point: IT IS NOT WRONG TO BE GAY. Only your god has decided it is wrong.
That's like telling ginger people that they must dye their hair otherwise they will be forced to live in a ghetto. They can easily dye their hair so what's the problem. Would that fly? of course not.
What if you reject His merciful kindness ?
What if ginger people don't dye their hair?
What if instead of praising the Lord you choose to arm yourself with accusations and blasphemies against the Lord ?
What oif instead of dyeing your hair black you left it ginger. It is the same argument. It is morally wrong to force your views on other people with the threat of punishment for motivation.
Are you drunk with excessive Humanism? Many many acts of God reveal His kindness and mercifulness to created man. These do not mean that He will forever tolerate the sins of man.
Sin is just what your god has decided is wrong. Like someone deciding red hair is wrong. Sin is what your god has decided he does not want people to do (after creating each individual with an insticnt to sin). What perverse reason could he have had to rig the game in such a way? Madness.
"And Jehovah said, My Spirit will not strive with man forever ..." (Genesis 6:3)
I'm not going to put up with gingers flaunting their ginger hair forever. Can you see a pattern here?
Your foolish god created this whole problem by deciding for no good reason that some harmless things are sins.
All creation then exists because of the will of God, the plan of God, the purpose of God. It is no wonder that His WORD concerning His will is more stable than the universe itself. It will outlast heaven and earth.
So he created sin: nice move.
So we should believe into Christ and quite making clever twisted excuses from the handy dandy "Do-it-yourself" skeptical pocket Christian refuter.
Not true. God should be held to account for not being good by rigging the game to force us to do it his way to avoid eternal torment. That's no different from gentically engineering people to express ginger hair and then punishing them if the don't dye it.
Your quotes are nice. But the way in which you intend to use them is no more clever than Satan's quoting of Scripture to tempt Jesus to jump of the pinnacle of the temple to show off in Matthew 4:6
Nothing like it at all.
You may think you are being clever. "Look I too can thump on the bible and make it look like the teaching of Jesus is against the word of God."
Jesus and God are the same. The best that on could say is that Jesus is God in disguise so that people can conveniently forget what a psychopath God is.
You're not being clever. If you selectively quote as the devil quoted, I will also say to you "Again, it is written ..." .
It is then impossible to use bible quotes at all. By your logic if one does not quote the whole bible one is selectivley quoting.....
Does God want gay people to be killed or not? If not then he has changed his mind and his eternal unchanging character traits are incorrect.
2nd Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"
quote:
"All scripture" is the operative phrase there.
Selective usage to try to nullify the New Testament salvation is not clever.
Correct. All of it. So Lev 20:13 is just as relevent (and morally repugnant) now as it was back then.
quote:
You are not allowed to rewrite the Bible to fit with your individual notion of what it really says. it says so in the Bible, for God's sake
If I was unclear here, I appologise. What I meant was that you twist the meaning of the bible to suit you moral relativism.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
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From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


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Message 124 of 722 (682614)
12-04-2012 7:05 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by jaywill
12-03-2012 7:40 PM


Re: Really?
I don't God has commited an evil act ever. I would rather believe in some instances He did something which is difficult for me to understand.
There we have it. You would RATHER beleive. By saying this you render your entire position one of emotional relativism.
It makes you feel better to think God is not a psychopath in spite of what the bible says.
ABE: just saw this:
And I know the eternal Judge can compensate such humans in the scheme of the next world.
A great get out clause, don't you think? God can do anything because you get a bag of sweets in Heaven.
If those kids were going to Heaven they did not need to killed, did they?
Edited by Larni, : Last three sentences.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
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Message 126 of 722 (682645)
12-04-2012 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by jaywill
12-04-2012 9:46 AM


Re: Character
I say the "awefulness" of the Noah account is accompanied by the wonderfulness of His salvation, His righteous termination of such a low sunken world.
So the ends justifies the means: gotcha.
Not the slightest hint from Cain about his murdering his brother.
Cain made a decision to sin. Humanity has sin from conception; as dictated by God. For the comparison with Cain to hold any water people would have to individually decide to sin before they were born.
On your part selective outrage.
Of course. I will only be outraged (in this context) when your god acts in an outrageous way. Why on Earth did he decide to punish people for being HOW HE MADE THEM?
Not too much interpretation is needed in the Noah story.
Not too much, because it fits in with your personal idea of the character of God, rather than an unbiased reading of the Bible. Let me guess: when the bible does not conform with your personal version of Yaweh more 'interpretation' is required.
That future generations learned from the example is His goodness.
No, they learnt that God will punish them for being how he created them. It was not an act of goodness, it was genocide. Yaweh could have resolved the problem if he was not so wedded to punishing people for how he made them.
He seems obsessed with punishment. He even punished himself in the form of his own son because he could not imagine a resolution to the problem he created without SOMEONE getting punished. He's a sadist and a masocihst.
The more foolish expoundings come from those who senses are so dull that they only see fault in God's terminating that world.
If you cannot see the difference between god killing every one and a human military leader killing every one then you have a problem. People are dead; but with the military leader doing the killing the people may go to Heaven, yet.
So the actions of your god are actually worse and more monsterous than a genocidal military leader.
So then the law has become our child-conductor unto Christ that we might be justified by faith. But since faith has come we are no longer under a child-conductor." (Gal. 3:24,25)
I'm sure you know this was part of an attempt to bring Gentiles into the fold to soften the imapct of the harshness of the Law.
Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
I'm equally sure you know this part of the bible is about how god and the jews parted ways based on non-adhearance.
Here Jesus clearly says untill the law is fulfilled we must not change anything.
Romans 8:3-4 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Here it clearly states that the law might be fullfilled in us if we walk after the spirit. Not that it is fullfilled for us.
So only by continuing to toe the party line (kowtow to God or dyeing our ginger hair black) can we avoid eternal suffering. I could go further and interprest it to mean by following the spirit we could do whatever we want and still get to Heaven.
But I won't because I'm NOT interpreting the bible, I'm simply reading it and beleiving (for the purpose of our discussion) what it says.
Yaweh contructed the universe with the rules it has and made people the way they are and is for some reason butt hurt because it is exactly how he planned it: he takes it out on people by sending them to Hell.
Nice.
Edited by Larni, : Started on iphone but it got too difficult so I moved over to the PC.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
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Message 130 of 722 (682738)
12-05-2012 4:15 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by kofh2u
12-04-2012 9:22 PM


Re: Character
You are simply interpreting the bible rather than reading it properly.
As such hour post is pointless.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
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Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 133 of 722 (682748)
12-05-2012 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by kofh2u
12-05-2012 8:11 AM


Re: Character
God's word does not change down the ages, no matter how much you want them to fit socio-political and scientific realities.
In this instance I would echo Faith by saying that when science or the socio-political climate conflicts with the Bible a Christian should still go with the Bible: because it says so int he bible.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

This message is a reply to:
 Message 131 by kofh2u, posted 12-05-2012 8:11 AM kofh2u has replied

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Larni
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Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 135 of 722 (682764)
12-05-2012 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by kofh2u
12-05-2012 10:05 AM


Re: Character
The Truth is not defined by man but by the God of the bible and the only way we can be informed of this Truth is via the bible.
What you are doing is twisting the Truthtm of the bible with man's flawed interpretation of the evidence.
That's not following the bible: that's following your own conscience.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

This message is a reply to:
 Message 134 by kofh2u, posted 12-05-2012 10:05 AM kofh2u has replied

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Larni
Member
Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 137 of 722 (682780)
12-05-2012 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by kofh2u
12-05-2012 11:25 AM


Re: Character
Hence, the father of Truth is the real world men interact within, which claims, "I am."
Not so.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Jesus it the Truth. Not the 'real world'.
Call yourself a Christian?

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

This message is a reply to:
 Message 136 by kofh2u, posted 12-05-2012 11:25 AM kofh2u has replied

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