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Message 149 of 722 (682826)
12-05-2012 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by jaywill
12-05-2012 2:53 PM


Re: Enough blame and salvation to go around
That's good. But I am more impressed with Jesus.
If you were in position to judge God as inferior in righteousness than yourself then I suspect you would have the same impact on history as Jesus.
So let me see if I have this correct (a simple yes or no will suffice): you believe that a ficticious character in a book that, according to the book, wiped the face of the earth clean of nearly all living things, has a better moral fiber than Rahvin, an person that you only know via his postings on this website but via those postings has indicated a generally high moral standard? Is that correct?
If we pretend for a moment that we have two characters (YHWH and Rahvin) and all we know about them is what is written about them (YHWH has the bible and Rahvin has EvC), you are seriously going to say that the one whose character is listed as murdering 99.9% of the planet has a better moral system than the character that espouses equality for all and NOT to murder? How can you justify that sort of thing and live with yourself?
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Message 154 of 722 (682835)
12-05-2012 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by jaywill
12-05-2012 3:52 PM


Re: Enough blame and salvation to go around
It was a simple yes or no question, the answer to which does not hinge on my statement that your god is not real. You could either a) answer the question or b) provide sufficient evidence that your god is a real being. Seeing as how you lot have had millenia to provide evidence for this character, yet have failed to do so, I suggest you take the easier route and just answer the question. It's not a difficult one and not one that will serve as an indictment towards your faith. The only negative aspect of your answer will be that you prove your self to be less than moral and have a severely misguided moral compass, thus proving to us that you religious types are NOT the arbiter of morals.
Your god is a ficticious character, by the way. At least we have evidence that Rahvin is at worst a computer program, but evidence indicates him to be a real live human. The same cannot be said for your god. Secondly, this thread itself makes the assumption that your god is as real as the story since it is about the storybook god, so get over it.
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Message 158 of 722 (682839)
12-05-2012 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by jaywill
12-05-2012 4:32 PM


Re: Enough blame and salvation to go around
Are you even trying to reply to the comments people are making to you? What you did just there in Message 156 (the message I am replying to) was not at all even close to the text that you quoted or the message you replied to. If you want to simply preach, be my guest. After all, that's about all you do anyways. Just don't pretend to be having a discussion whilst doing so.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 160 of 722 (682852)
12-05-2012 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by jaywill
12-05-2012 5:32 PM


Re: Enough blame and salvation to go around
You still haven't answered my first question, the one that brought me into this topic. If you would be so kind?

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 163 of 722 (682862)
12-05-2012 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by jaywill
12-05-2012 5:48 PM


Re: Enough blame and salvation to go around
It's right there in Message 149. but I'll be a nice guy and type it again.
quote:
So let me see if I have this correct (a simple yes or no will suffice): you believe that a ficticious character in a book that, according to the book, wiped the face of the earth clean of nearly all living things, has a better moral fiber than Rahvin, an person that you only know via his postings on this website but via those postings has indicated a generally high moral standard? Is that correct?
If we pretend for a moment that we have two characters (YHWH and Rahvin) and all we know about them is what is written about them (YHWH has the bible and Rahvin has EvC), you are seriously going to say that the one whose character is listed as murdering 99.9% of the planet has a better moral system than the character that espouses equality for all and NOT to murder? How can you justify that sort of thing and live with yourself?
And if it is too tough for me, I'll tell you. I don't claim to have all your answers.
I certainly hope you have the answer to a question of "is this your position; yes or no".
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Message 166 of 722 (682880)
12-05-2012 6:44 PM
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12-05-2012 6:43 PM


Re: Enough blame and salvation to go around
I said a simple yes or no would suffice.
So which is it: yes or no? Stop waffling.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 564 of 722 (684833)
12-18-2012 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 563 by jaywill
12-18-2012 5:57 PM


We can see why the Hebrew kings had a reputation of being merciful. (see First Kings 20:31)
You christians sure have a morbid way of using the word merciful.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 567 of 722 (684837)
12-18-2012 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 566 by jaywill
12-18-2012 7:47 PM


You use a verse from your book that describes how to take a woman captive and use THAT as an example of mercy. You really are a twisted, sick individual. I can't believe I even have to explain myself to you.
Verse 11 - "And you see a beautiful woman among the captives and desire her and would take her to yourself as a wife.
There you go, you want that chick? Take her, she's yours. What's that? You don't give a shit if she wants to marry you? Of course you don't.
Verse 12 - You shall bring her within your house, and she shall shave her head, trim her nails,
Shave a woman's head....so kind and merciful of you.
Verse 13 - And take her clothes of captivity away from her. And she shall dwell in your house and mourn her father and mother for a full month. And afterwards you shall go in unto her and be her husband, and she shall be a wife to you.
Take her clothes and make her mourn her parents naked? That is mercy? The same parents YOU JUST MURDERED? Then you force her to "marry" you.
omg so kind and merciful of you!
Verse 14 - And if [after a time] you do not delight in her, you shall let her go wherever she wishes. But you must not sell her for money; you shall NOT DEAL WITH HER AS A SLAVE, because you have humbled her."
After you raped the shit out of her, kick her ass to the curb, thus rendering her useless because the barbarians of the time only want virgins.
You, jaywill, are a sick fuck if you think what you just quoted is an example of mercy. This is just more proof that the god you pander is evil.
QED
edit:
Trolling is easy
What is it with every one of you on this forum laying the accusation of trolling at the drop of a hat? You really have no idea what a troll is....
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hooah212002
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Message 587 of 722 (684951)
12-19-2012 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 568 by jaywill
12-18-2012 8:59 PM


It was far more merciful then for her to be raped at the end of the battle day.
Ah, yes. It is so much better to be raped daily by your captor and "married" against your will.
Christianity is ever the beacon of kindness and mercifiulness.....
/s
You cannot see the laws were given to prevent that kind of behavior?
No because the glasses I wear are clear, not jesus tinted. I see that a good and merciful god would possibly say "how about you don't go around killing, plundering, raping and kidnapping??" Just because you call it marriage doesn't mean it isn't rape and just because you refuse to call it kidnapping doesn't mean it's not.
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Message 588 of 722 (684952)
12-19-2012 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 569 by jaywill
12-18-2012 9:05 PM


And take her clothes of captivity away from her.
Yes, jaywill, if I take your clothes away from you (and don't indicate that I shall clothe you in exchange), you will be naked. Not ewearing clothes is pretty much what naked means. No, it's precisely what being naked is.
I certainly would hate for you to effectively rebut anything I said instead of erroneously getting hung up on semantics. You used a blatant act of barbarism in an attempt to display mercy and thus, proved me right when I said christians have a morbid way of using the word mercy.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 591 of 722 (684957)
12-19-2012 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 590 by jaywill
12-19-2012 2:58 PM


I never perceived it to mean she shall remain naked for a month.
Then you perceived it wrong.
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Message 602 of 722 (685058)
12-20-2012 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 598 by jaywill
12-20-2012 9:20 AM


I was wondering how long it would take you to preach to me. I really wanted that.
Wait a minute,
Nope, actually I didn't. Good day, preacher jaywill.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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