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Topic: Is God good?
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foreveryoung
Member (Idle past 604 days) Posts: 921 Joined: 12-26-2011
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Re: Darwin's theory DID enfluence Nazis,
Did darwin's theories not affect anyone in germany at the time ? If they did affect people, why would hitler be immune to its effect? Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.
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foreveryoung
Member (Idle past 604 days) Posts: 921 Joined: 12-26-2011
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Message 494 of 722 (684224)
12-16-2012 6:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 492 by Larni
12-16-2012 6:05 PM
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Re: Darwin's theory DID enfluence Nazis,
I mean affect their whole philosophy of life to the point where they would start doing things they would not have done without the influence of darwin.
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foreveryoung
Member (Idle past 604 days) Posts: 921 Joined: 12-26-2011
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Re: Darwin's theory DID enfluence Nazis,
can you give me a source where hitler said creationist things?
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foreveryoung
Member (Idle past 604 days) Posts: 921 Joined: 12-26-2011
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Message 514 of 722 (684468)
12-17-2012 4:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 505 by jar
12-17-2012 11:24 AM
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Re: Goodness Demands Justice
And so you cannot support your assertion that the God found in Exodus, Joshuah and the Flood myths is not even more evil than Hitler it seems.
Have you ever read the Bible?
Why do you think the God found in Exodus, Joshua, and the Flood is evil? Are you saying that there never was an exodus from egypt and that there never was a conquest of canaan and that there never was a flood (of any sort)? Do you deny that there was a flood that covered all the land that noah could see? Do you deny that it destroyed all life in the world that noah was aware of ( the black sea)? Do you deny that noah built a large boat that floated on the black sea for over a year?
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foreveryoung
Member (Idle past 604 days) Posts: 921 Joined: 12-26-2011
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Message 522 of 722 (684526)
12-17-2012 6:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 516 by jar
12-17-2012 4:36 PM
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Re: Goodness Demands Justice
jar writes: I deny that there was ever a flood as described in the Biblical myths. I seriously doubt that Noah ever even lived. If noah never existed, then why was his name mentioned?
jar writes: There is lots of evidence the Exodus also never happened as described in the Bible How is the exodus described in the bible such that you don't believe it happened? Which parts? For example: was israel enslaved in egypt? Did israel escape egypt and come to live in canaan? If not, then why not?
jar writes: or that the Conquest of Canaan ever happened as described in Joshuah. What part of the description of the canaan conquest do you think is unbelievable and why?
jar writes: But IF anyone ever accepted the stories as being literal or factual, then yes, the God described would be guilty of ethnic cleansing in the case of Joshuah Why do you believe this?
jar writes: and of just being a vicious jerk in the case of the Exodus myth. Why do you think that?
jar writes: They are simply cultural myths and should not be considered as anything else. What in the world is a cultural myth in YOUR mind anyway?
jar writes: For example the Exodus story in particular is written just like the weekly two reeler shown in the theaters when I was a kid and the soap operas of today Huh? What? This kind of writing seems absolutely insane to me.
jar writes: It was written to keep the audience waiting to see what happened the next night and so the story teller got food and lodging for yet another day. What makes you think you know what the reasons were for it being written?
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foreveryoung
Member (Idle past 604 days) Posts: 921 Joined: 12-26-2011
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Message 527 of 722 (684552)
12-17-2012 8:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 525 by jar
12-17-2012 8:24 PM
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Re: Goodness Demands Justice
Romans 9:17 writes: For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. I suppose that you take God to task for this right? Why?
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foreveryoung
Member (Idle past 604 days) Posts: 921 Joined: 12-26-2011
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Re: But that is NOT Charles Darwin's Theory of Evolution
Do you deny that the person you are today is largely a result of what your parents told you, what your teachers told you, what you read in books, what your friends told you, movies that you watched and got something from, TV that you watched as a kid and got something from? I can tell you for certain, that I am a product of all of the above plus my own internal sorting of all that information and what meaning I ascribed to it all.
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foreveryoung
Member (Idle past 604 days) Posts: 921 Joined: 12-26-2011
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Message 530 of 722 (684555)
12-17-2012 8:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 529 by jar
12-17-2012 8:35 PM
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Re: Goodness Demands Justice
jar writes: Well, causing suffering, plagues of boils and killing the cattle and the kids and frogs and the water just to show you are the baddest pimp on the block is hardly what I would call "good". If God were a mere man, I would certainly agree with your assessment. Does God have the right to do as he wishes with his creation? Does he have the right to cause plagues and boils etc...? If God is ultimately responsible for your coming into existence, does he not have a right to demand your worship?
jar writes: How is it possibly "good" to kill folk just to build a rep, just to show off? You are assigning human motivations to a holy God. God has no need for reputation nor to show off as humans understand those concepts. Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.
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foreveryoung
Member (Idle past 604 days) Posts: 921 Joined: 12-26-2011
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Message 533 of 722 (684564)
12-17-2012 9:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 531 by jar
12-17-2012 8:43 PM
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Re: Goodness Demands Justice
No, he does not have the right to demand my worship. Yes, he does and when you refuse to acknowledge the one who created you and be thankful for it, you deserve whatever action you get from him.
He could try to earn my respect and maybe even worship, but worship that is gained through threat and intimidation is pretty worthless. He should have to try and earn your respect, and in fact he doesn't. You should respect him as God by virtue of him bringing you into existence.
As the Bible says, man knows right and wrong just as God does and man must even challenge God when God is about to behave immorally. Yes man knows right and wrong, and man knows it is wrong to disrespect the God who brought him into existence. What is right and wrong for man isn't necessarily right and wrong for God. We have no basis whatsoever to lay the charge of behaving immorally at the feet of God as Job had to learn the hard way.
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foreveryoung
Member (Idle past 604 days) Posts: 921 Joined: 12-26-2011
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Re: But that is NOT Charles Darwin's Theory of Evolution
dradequate writes: I never even contemplated denying it, especially with the thoughtful caveat of your second paragraph. Certainly I am the product of my nature filtering my nurture, what else? But what does this have to do with anything?
Your nature is the product of thousands of internal decisions you made in your head over all the years of growing up.
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